I need some advice please!

boozybears

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Hello everyone!

Ok, here's the situation. I've been wanting to get a betta for quite some time now but hubby hates them and won't let me get any :sad: . For Christmas he purchased a 1-gallon tank for me with the intentions that I get a betta and keep it on my desk at work.

Questions for all of you:

1) The tank has an undergravel filter and 5 watt lightbulb. Are these ok for a betta? I've read conflicting things about bettas and filters. Will an undergravel create to much current for their liking?

2) Is it doable to keep a betta at work? I'm on the road a lot for my work so may only be in the office once or twice a day and then not at all for the weekend. Can betta's survive without feeding for 2 days a week?

Thanks so much for your responses!!

Valerie
 
I don't think the filter will be a problem.

Bettas have a fast metabolism, needing to be fed multiple times a day. However, people feed them once a day and skip feedings every now and then. More conflicting information for you. ;)
 
I feed my bettas once a day and fast them twice a week.

As long the temp in your office is stable, he'll do great. :thumbs:
 
Could invest in a small heater. Run about five dollars, but are for 2.5 gallons... Not sure of any smaller ones.
 
I had my betta in one of the 1gals with the UGF. I upgraded to a 2.5 minibow with a whisper filter for 2 reasons. 1. I was able to put a 7.5 watt heater in the 2.5 but not the 1 and 2. The UGF prevented him from building a bubble nest.
Other than that he was super happy and active in the 1 g. If the temp in my house wasnt so cold I'd have kept him there.

edit: Oh dear who could hate a betta ... they are sooooo adorable !!!!! :wub:
 
You could get a timed feeder. I've seen them, never really noted the prices though. Maybe 10-20 dollars? You could probably put dried bloodworms or Betta bites in them.
 
Can you get measured doses, though?

Those blood worms would have to be dried, then. The best food for that would be pellets, though I don't think the thing would be able to feed the exact amount desired, since the betta would only need a few pellets...

Good idea, though. :D :thumbs:
 
I had the same thought, but then nixed it due to my office turns the heat off completely over the weekend. I know I am freezing in there on monday mornings. Tho with a heater it might still be ok. I was told by my lfs that my bettas should be ok when I go away for 4 days at New Years.
 
And you believed your lfs? :eek:

Just kidding. They should be ok if you only have vacations now and then.

I supose a day or two of fasting isn't so bad. It's just that I like knowing my fish are eating, even if I don't feed them until they're full. :dunno:
 
Thanks for all your responses everyone! Suspectdebbie.. I hadn't thought about the heating! I'm pretty sure that they will lower the heat in the evenings and on weekends. Guess I need to do a bit more research into weekend feeders etc.

Oh well, worst case scenario I'll just HAVE to keep him at home! :p

Val
 
Tempestuousfury said:
And you believed your lfs? :eek:
:rofl:
True tho Chicago aquarium is pretty good and most of the peeps are pretty knowledgable.

Boozy- the only reason I found out for sure was having to go into the office on a weekend and realizing I needed gloves to work. :look:
 
I don't know if you have ever kept bettas before, so I am writing this post like I would to someone who never has. I have only been keeping bettas for 8 months, but by gleaning knowledge from this site almost every night of the week, I have learned more then I ever would have imagined about these awesome fish. If anyone here sees anything wrong with anything that I type in this post, correct me. My opinion is that every time I make a mistake, I learn more. Oh, and I'm afraid this might get a little long. Sorry in advance!

Anyway....... to get to the point.....

I have used an adjustable temp. 25w heater in a 1 gal bowl with success after days of testing (without a betta in there) just to get the temp right, and 3 days more just to make sure it stayed the same after I got the temp where I wanted it, and it worked like a charm. You will just have to turn the temp way down and adjust it up a little at a time. You will want a thermometer (a floating thermometer is the most accurate) in the tank so you can keep an eye on the temp.

Keep in mind with an under gravel filter, you will not want to over clean your gravel as this is the filter media and over cleaning will disturb and/or kill any benificial bacteria that has begun growing there. That and under gravel filters usually cause a lot of surfact movement from the bubbles rising up through the tower (unless you use a gang valve to reduce the air flow), and bettas don't like a lot of surface movement. A lot of people, including myself, don't like to use undergravel filters just for those reasons. A lot of us don't use a filter at all in 1 gal tanks, and do a 50% water change halfway through the week, and a 100% water change at the end of the week to keep the ammonia levels down. Filtering in an uncycled 1 gallon tank won't help at all in keeping the ammonia down unless it's cycled, and cycling a 1 gal and keeping it steady is usually harder than in a bigger tank so you might be better off going without the ufg. I see in your profile that you have a 25 gal so you should know about cycling.

Have you read over the pinned topic "Betta Basics" yet? If not you might want to look over that as it contains a lot of very good information in keeping your betta happy and healthy.

If you don't have a test kit, get one that tests for ammonia, nitrItes, and nitrAtes so you can keep an eye on those levels every other day to keep your betta healthy. If you decide to ditch the under gravel filter, all you will really need is a test kit for ammnoia as that is all that should show up in an uncycled tank that gets regular water changes.

When you do water changes you have to ensure that the water that you are changing it with is no more than a couple degrees off of that which is already in the tank. This will cause major stress on your new betta buddie and may cause him to devolep a disease of some kind. But like I said before, you have another tank so you should know this already. An idea here is to keep a bucket of conditioned water (if you have room for it in your office) with a heater in it and try to match the temp as closly as possible for water changes.

Feed your new betta buddie a virety of foods, and try to stay away from those color enhanceing foods cause sometimes they are not always that great for them. Freeze dried foods aren't too great for them as most of the time they are pretty hard and can tear up their insides. One of their favorites is blood worms. You can get frozen blood worms at most fish stores. They like brine shrimp as well, but they are mostly water so they aren't really that great for a regular diet.

I feed all my bettas 6 pellets once a day, frozen blood worms once a week, frozen brine shrimp once a week, and fast them 1 day a week. I try to feed them a pea at least once a week. It's good prevention for constapation.

Anyway, I think this post has gotten long enough so I am going to end it (if you have not gotten bored by now and quit reading) in saying good luck with your new betta buddie!!! Hope this helps! Really sorry for the long post! I just want the best for any betta out there.
 
My friend Amelia bought some of those 1 gallon tanks with the "undergravel" filters for her guys. Honestly, I don't see how they can be considered "filter's"... if yours is anything like hers.

All the "filter" consists of is a plastic grate (with holes in it), a tube, and an airstone. So if it is a "filter" what filters the waste? Where is the waste stored? How could that possibly keep the water clean?

The only thing I can think of..is it "filters" thru the holes and accumulates on the bottom of the tank, and the water really isn't being cleaned at all imo. And with it only being 1 gallon..it's quite difficult to use a gravel filter in that depth of water, most of the gravel vaccums work where you have to shake the vaccum end in the water to get it flowing..and those 1gal tanks are just to shallow.

I would buy one of those small sponge filter kits they sell. The air flow is adjustable and the filters are disposable...or you can wash them out in old tank water. The entire starter kit cost about $11 at Wal-mart and the refill cartridges are $4 for 2.

Her fishies HATED that tube with all those bubbles. There was no way to reduce the flow and it was so strong..it made the surface stay all bubbled up all the time. The fish looked very stressed and sickly (lost color and stay on the tank floor all the time). She put in the sponge filter and now they are all acting their usual perky selves.

Honestly, I would just get a 2.5 gal tank setup. Those come with a regular filter setup, can support a heater with no problems, and just seem a better deal then those 1 gal setups they sell, heck they're only about $8-10 more at Wal-mart.
 
The undergravel filter is for cycling, and a 1 gal tank is very hard to cycle. I have done it in the past, but it still takes weekly water changes. It's better to not use the undergravel filter. Maybe put some java moss in the tank for the betta to lay on, and give it some decoration. A 1 gal tank should have water changes every 4 days. A betta would do fine in 1 gal, but keeping the water warm is important. A 1 gal will heat and cool more quickly than a large tank. My advice would be to try a 3-5 gal tank, so you can heat and filter it better. Feeding should not be a problem. You could feed heavy on friday evening, and again on monday morning. Fasting once a week is good for fish. It allows their system to purge. As for the fast metablolism, and needing fed 3-4 times a day, I don't where that information came from, but would like to read it myself. It's not something that is commented on very often by experienced breeders. There would have had to be tests run to measure their metabolism, so the info would be good to research. Personnally, I like to feed 3 times a day when conditioning, but only feed twice a day on a normal basis. Morning and evening would work good for a work environment.
 
Don't worry AlexsDaddy.. I am a newbie when it comes to bettas. Your (long! :p ) post was very much appreciated! Yes, I know all about cycling, testing and water temp but it's always good to hear again.

I really do appreciate all the posts from you guys. :nod: I don't want to make the same mistakes i made when I fist set up my initial tank so any advice I can get now is good! So sounds like I might not use the UGF and just do more water changes. I do have one more question though about that. How do you do a 100% change without completely stressing the betta out?

thanks again!

Val
 

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