Well, I've got one late male that survived from a cross between a female black cobra hybrid endler (own created strain) x male Limia perugiae. The body shape is more guppylike but it's a large specimen. It seems that he's got the size of his father. The dorsal has a shape between a male black cobra endler hybrid and a male Limia perugiae. If I would use a nigrocaudatus or moscow female guppy (includes endlers as well) to cross to a non nigrocaudatus or moscow male guppy, the male offspring would have a dark body. But in case of crossing such a guppy to a Limia perugiae was an unkown path to me of how the nigrocaudatus or moscow gene would be passed on. Using warm white light, his body looks dark but more greyish than black. Ijn sunlight, he seems more greenish. His caudal shape is a shape is definitely a cross between the caudal of this Limia species and the double sword of the black cobra hybrid endler. Crossing a female endler/guppy of a double sword tail x a closed male Limia perugiae tail shape, will result in a closed tail with raffles.
The grey with greenish metallic shine of the Limia perugiae has made the dark color (coming from the black cobra endler hybrid) lighter. And the greyish/greenish of the Limia perugiae seems dominant in this case. The moscow gene that the black cobra strain carries was of less influence in this case. This 3 inches sized male hybrid has showed his sex quite late. For the body shape itself looks more feminine than masculine if we compare it to regular guppies. Males of the black cobra hybrid endler strain only max out to an inch or just over. And they look way different. if one would see this male for the first time, it resembles a huge male guppy. But in the black cobra line of mine, no guppy strain was used which resembles this phenotype.
This male also shows this black mark in the dorsal which my male Limia perugiaes has. But the black mark is to be seen in the lower part of the first finrays while Limia perugiae specimens have it in the lower part of the last fin rays. Also the color of caudal seems yellowish in the middle (Limia perugiae does show some yellow in the caudal when the light hits the caudal), some white on some almost outer fins rays. The cobra pattern in the fins of the black cobra is lacking in this male.
So again, this only left male has got the bodyshape of a large guppy (female shape & 3 inches), body color → greyish/greenish (slightly tuxedo), the black mark in the dorsal of the Limia perugiae, And if he's in rest, you do see that he's got a nice chest (smaller than the L.perugiae and bigger than the black cobra endler hybrid).
I do have to say that hybrid between a Limia x guppy/endler or a molly x guppy/endler may all look different depending on what type of Limia, molly or guppy (includes endlers) are used.
This crossbreed happened by accident. I've kept a donated male L.perugiae in a small tank with two small and young black cobra females which I wanted to keep as virgins. Apparently, the male bred with one of these three females. Only one got pregnant and the other two were used for a different purpose. Once pregnant I've put her separate fro other fish. She gave birth to just a small number of fry (6 to be precise). 5 have died along the way and just one survived.This specimen grew pretty fast and despite of the fact that I didn't see a gravid spot, it has a female guppy shape (but more stretched). I also have to mention that female L.perugiae also hardly show a gravid spot till even none (same as in female mollies). So, I still wasn't able to determine the sex. At almost 3 inches, the anal fin turned into a gonopodium. Something that does happen frequently in male L.perugiae specimens as well that a gonopodium will be formed when they're at adult size. If this male is fertile is something I have to wait for. It's not sure if such hybrids will definitely be infertile despite of the fact that they're two different genera. For an Asian friend breeder of mine, has bred hybrids between guppy and Limias frequently (same goes for limia x molly and molly x guppy). And he's got F1s of certain hybrids.
The grey with greenish metallic shine of the Limia perugiae has made the dark color (coming from the black cobra endler hybrid) lighter. And the greyish/greenish of the Limia perugiae seems dominant in this case. The moscow gene that the black cobra strain carries was of less influence in this case. This 3 inches sized male hybrid has showed his sex quite late. For the body shape itself looks more feminine than masculine if we compare it to regular guppies. Males of the black cobra hybrid endler strain only max out to an inch or just over. And they look way different. if one would see this male for the first time, it resembles a huge male guppy. But in the black cobra line of mine, no guppy strain was used which resembles this phenotype.
This male also shows this black mark in the dorsal which my male Limia perugiaes has. But the black mark is to be seen in the lower part of the first finrays while Limia perugiae specimens have it in the lower part of the last fin rays. Also the color of caudal seems yellowish in the middle (Limia perugiae does show some yellow in the caudal when the light hits the caudal), some white on some almost outer fins rays. The cobra pattern in the fins of the black cobra is lacking in this male.
So again, this only left male has got the bodyshape of a large guppy (female shape & 3 inches), body color → greyish/greenish (slightly tuxedo), the black mark in the dorsal of the Limia perugiae, And if he's in rest, you do see that he's got a nice chest (smaller than the L.perugiae and bigger than the black cobra endler hybrid).
I do have to say that hybrid between a Limia x guppy/endler or a molly x guppy/endler may all look different depending on what type of Limia, molly or guppy (includes endlers) are used.
This crossbreed happened by accident. I've kept a donated male L.perugiae in a small tank with two small and young black cobra females which I wanted to keep as virgins. Apparently, the male bred with one of these three females. Only one got pregnant and the other two were used for a different purpose. Once pregnant I've put her separate fro other fish. She gave birth to just a small number of fry (6 to be precise). 5 have died along the way and just one survived.This specimen grew pretty fast and despite of the fact that I didn't see a gravid spot, it has a female guppy shape (but more stretched). I also have to mention that female L.perugiae also hardly show a gravid spot till even none (same as in female mollies). So, I still wasn't able to determine the sex. At almost 3 inches, the anal fin turned into a gonopodium. Something that does happen frequently in male L.perugiae specimens as well that a gonopodium will be formed when they're at adult size. If this male is fertile is something I have to wait for. It's not sure if such hybrids will definitely be infertile despite of the fact that they're two different genera. For an Asian friend breeder of mine, has bred hybrids between guppy and Limias frequently (same goes for limia x molly and molly x guppy). And he's got F1s of certain hybrids.
