How to confront store employees

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BettaMomma

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To go along with my "how to go about rescuing a betta" post, I thought it might also be helpful to offer advice on what to do and/or say when you find fish in less than acceptable conditions.

The first thing to do is to start asking questions of employees when you see sick fish. Simply point them out and ask if they have any kind of "sick room" or "quiet room" to take them to. Employees are happy to reveal a lot of things to you about what goes on behind the scenes at their stores without even realizing they're doing it. Don't be afraid to ask what they treat for, what meds they use, etc.

If a store does have a sick room, you can feel much better about leaving sick fish behind at those stores - after you point them out to employees. I actually feel very good about leaving fish behind at PetSmart, for example, here in town (well as good as I can feel about leaving a sicky behind) because they always whisk them off to the quiet room before I leave.

WalMart is a COMPLETELY different story. I was told to my face that they don't "bother to treat" their sick fish, and that they just put them back on the shelf, and throw them away if/when the need arises.

Having said all that, I generally rescue a LOT more of them from WalMart than I do from anywhere else, just because the rest of the stores here in town have sick rooms.

Here's a specific example... I shop at PetSmart on a pretty regular basis because I haven't seen anything horiffic at their stores, and to this point they have always had bettas in relatively good health. The other day I was IRATE when I found 2 deadies and one near-death on the shelf. I had some things in my cart at the time I found them... They probably had about 40 of them in there. When I spotted the first dead one, I started scanning over every single one - found another dead one, then found another one I thought was dead - then he moved a bit. I placed them all in my cart and headed over to an employee who was working with their plants. I walked up to him and said "Excuse me - could you send a manager over by the bettas please?" and he asked me if i needed help with something, and I said "No, I'd like to lodge a complaint." I went over and within a few seconds a manager came over. I simply handed her the 2 dead ones and then the near dead one. I said "There is NO excuse why I, as a customer, should have to find these on the shelf. In fact, in a store like yours that medicates their fish, this should NEVER happen - and ESPECIALLY not 3 in one day." She told me that someone had done a walk thru earlier that day, so I asked why they had not removed the dead ones. She just kept apologizing that I had to "see that" in their store. I said "I don't really care what I have to see - I just can't imagine what these poor things had to go through. And you know... I don't think I'm going to buy what I had planned to buy here today now." and I put my guinea pig litter, toys and food on the shelf right below the bettas and left my cart standing, and headed out the door. That same woman has seen me in that store several times before - probably 20 or more times, so she knew that they had done bad when I refused to buy my stuff there that day.

SOOO.... there will be 2 types of people out there - the type like myself who are completely comfortable with voicing issues and comlaints right in the stores, and some who just are not. And that is perfectly okay. Either type of person is going to be able to get some very effective results. If you do voice your thoughts in the store - do also call back and speak to a manager. In a case like a WalMart, call a manager of the store - NEVER call and ask to speak to someone in the fish department. If they manage a department, and you call and complain to them about it, I can guarantee that your complaint will never be passed on because if reflects poorly on them. Ask for a general manager. THEN... WMs also have a District Manager. Get that phone number before you leave the store and give them a buzz also. Even one step further, always get on the web and fill out a feedback form at http://www.walmart.com/storefeedback.

There will be tons of different scenarios that you might happen to come across - some that I have seen are: a betta cup with a crack in it that was slowly leaking, cups with fish in them whose water is so dirty you can't see the fish, fish who are so ill their gills, fins, eyes, etc. are severely damaged, fish who are infested with ick and/or some other infection, fish with body parts cut off or missing, fish who are contained with other fish and one or the other of the fish is being harassed and becoming ill, and the one that makes my skin crawl and makes me see red... dead floating fish.

If you are in a store such as PetSmart, etc., where you know they treat fish, I would suggest taking the fish to an employee and pointing out what is wrong with the fish. Becoming very familiar with fish diseases and what to look for is very helpful. And if you approach it as if you are trying to help them run their store better, they will actually be appreciative. In most cases, they will take the fish back to the quiet room immediately.

If you are in a store such as WalMart, ask to have a manager paged to come over. When the manager arrives, tell them what your issue is, and ask what they will do about it. If the situation requires water changes, ask if they mind if you hang around to watch. They should have NO issues with this.. If they do, there is a problem and take it up a notch to the district manager. Tell them you'll be back to check on the progress of the fish. If you are not satisfied with how they will handle the problem, and you feel like you should take the fish with you to *rescue* it, do so - by all means! BUT.....
and THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART....
If you do put that fish in your cart or take it to the checkout counter, do NOT buy anything else there that day. Make sure to let a manager know that you're only taking the fish because you are afraid it will die if you leave it and that it makes you mad. And that you either aren't going to buy anything in their store that day, or permanently, because of the way they mistreat their fish.

There will be times when no one will be around and you will make the decision to take a fish that is very in need of a rescue home with you. In a case like that, as soon as you get that fish into its new home, get on the phone and call the store manager and tell them you are upset, and why.

Once you begin doing this, start a notebook and jot down what you saw and what you did about it. And visit stores often. PetSmart knows very well why I go into their stores because I flat out tell them when they ask me if I need help that no thanks, I'm just doing a wellness check. They smile and walk away. It keeps them in check, especially if you keep records.

If you do your best to keep a cool head while speaking with someone in the store, but speak clearly so that anyone who might be in earshot of you can hear, your point will be made. If you feel like you might buckle under the pressure and become irate, it might be best to go home and call - and give yourself the drive home to cool off.

AND LASTLY... if all else fails and you just can't bring yourself to do it, gimme a PM. I make calls every day like this. ;)
 
i left feed back about walmarts registers ALWAYS being closed. My WM has 40 registers and they usually only have 12-13 open. THE VERY NEXT DAY, the store manager called me up and wanted to talk, but I wasn't home, so there is you proof that hose things get through!!!
(a few weeks after, they got the new U-scans, and there are 8 and unless they're broken, they stay open)

you're a bold lady!!! I could never tell off someone like that!!! Bravo!!! I'm proud to say I know you!!! I got a kick out of your saying, " "I don't really care what I have to see - I just can't imagine what these poor things had to go through. And you know... I don't think I'm going to buy what I had planned to buy here today now." and I put my guinea pig litter, toys and food on the shelf right below the bettas and left my cart standing, and headed out the door."

I would have been a whimp and put the stuff back on the shekf where I got them form !!! :lol:

I wish I could afford all of this stuff :( Being 16 sux because you want to do for them, but you cant b/c funds are limited...

And you really can't just tell someone off like that b/c they are "olders" and you have to respect them.

Anyway BRAVO! *claps for bettamomma*

so i'll be pming you soon :rofl: !!!!!

EDIT: BTW: my WM says they don't bother with treatment too! They tol' me it was b/c if a fish died there, they just wrote down the species and type of fish, and they were given another fish exactly like it as "credit" for their loses. I'm absolutely positive that their supplier wouldn't be too happy if he/she knew they put forth no effort to save the fish!
 
Great article, BM. :)

There's a really horrid pet store at a shopping centre near here.... they sometimes have up to 5 dead bettas on their shelves and many more sickies. :-( Usually when I'm shopping I'm with a parent and I can't complain to staff because my mum/dad doesn't want me to make a scene.

I've always wondered... what if when I'm on my own or with a friend, I see sick or dead bettas? I wouldn't know how to go about lodging a complaint. But now I know what to do. Pet's Paradise, watch out. :shifty:
 
mlee0332 said:
EDIT: BTW: my WM says they don't bother with treatment too! They tol' me it was b/c if a fish died there, they just wrote down the species and type of fish, and they were given another fish exactly like it as "credit" for their loses. I'm absolutely positive that their supplier wouldn't be too happy if he/she knew they put forth no effort to save the fish!
BettaMomma- Great post! :thumbs:

mlee0332- from what you are told, it is true. When I was going to Cosmetology school, one day I was complaining about my goldfish always dying, or getting constipated. *I usually feed the 2 boys a small amount of granules 2 times a day.
Well, much to my annoyance, this girl who thinks she's such a hot shot, I guess worked at a Walmart *I think in Prarie Du Chien, Wisconson* and she said 'You're overfeeding them' and then I made a statement on how crappy Walmart takes care of their fish, and that when I go, about 8 times out of 10 I see a dead goldfish or betta. She said 'When we get a shimpment in, the first three days we see a dead one and turn it in, or whatever they do, they get a credit. She also said something about I could bring the fish back and should get a refund...like I'm going to do that. :grr:
I told her, straight out, I think it's stupid and they shouldn't really have dead fish in the first place if they took care of them properly. :whistle:
 
mlee0332 said:
I wish I could afford all of this stuff :( Being 16 sux because you want to do for them, but you cant b/c funds are limited...

And you really can't just tell someone off like that b/c they are "olders" and you have to respect them.
Just consider yourself a "crazy betta person"-in-training. :crazy: Some of us old timers will have to retire our walkers someday and pass the baton on to the younger generation. :angel: Learn what you can from BettaMomma and the others while you're young and in the next few years you can take up the cause. There will always be needy bettas out there as long as there are money grubbing stores. :nod:
 
Just FYI - I know that a lot of people don't respect what kids have to say, but if you know what you're talking about, don't be afraid to speak your mind. I've read posts by some 12 year olds on this forum who I would swear were full blown adults when I read them.

Whoever is listening will either hear you and know that you know your stuff, or they will choose not to hear you because you're just a *kid*, even though you might really know what you're talking about.

;)
 
If I've learned anything about dealing with people who don't take you seriously it's that it's all about attitude! Just throw yourself out there as if you think you're a golden god and most of the time your feeble-minded adversary winds up feeling like HE'S the one that's stupid, not you! Don't feel nervous about making complaints. As a customer you have the right to complain, and as the old law states "The customer is always right." If you're going to be emotional about your complaint be sure it's stern and angry, not whiny and panicky. You'd be surprised what a little self control can do. Guess you learn things being a teenage white girl in a Latin American country full of horny men where women have little to no power XD You have to throw your weight around if you want respect!
 
well, after I hear an employee talk to a customer, I usually, if the info is wrong, correct the customer. But that's about as far as I've gotten with getting things squared away at wal-mart. Evertime I go in there I have to help some one b/c

a. noe employee around
b. employee doesn't give correct info. I guess it's a start...

eudielynn, I only have 1 betta in my house though! I guess that is more so for fish in general. Don't get me wrong, I love bettas, but as I said, can't afford a tank for each one, nor could I afford to risk divisions...
 
nice post bravo BM
i dont think i could tell someone off like that but i dont really have to my WM dosent sell fish just supplies and my LFS and petsmart ect. are all pretty good anyway im rambling

great post very informative :kana: :cool:
 

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