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crisycaro

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hi there,
i have had a fishtank for 2 months now but my fish have never looked really healthy. One of them is an black angel fish and it has been swimming in the botton of the tank for several days. its swim pattern is also very strange. yesterday i went to my local pet shop and told them what was going on and they gave me a product called " aquarium doctor" WSP which I apply to my fishtank right away but unfortunatelly in the morning 4 of my 12 fish were dead and this afternoon I looked in my fishtank and one of the golden pencilfish was upside down and its back way turnig slightly black and eventually died. what is going on with my darlings can someone tell me. I really don't know what to do.
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That sounds similar to the first problem that I had as a fish owner. My immediate thoughts are linking it to swim bladder problems which can be due to bad water conditions, so perhaps you didnt cycle properly. That was the reason I put to mine, seeing as the guy at lfs told me i could put fish in a day after setting up the tank- didnt mention anything about cycling- just the heating :grr: I have since learned otherwise thanks to the helpful people on here!
 
what fish do you have in what size aquarium?

Get your water tested. Either take a sample into the fish store to get tested(very unreliable) or get a test kit to test you ph, ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate.

How often do you do water changes? What dechlorinator do you use? What kind of filter do you have?

If it is because your tank never properly cycled you probably have high ammonia. If so do frequent small water changes and get some plants in there, for now to help out your fishies.
 
Hi, I am sorry for your loose. I agree to the other replies and also would like to add that you have to be careful when stocking a newly established tank. Adding too many fish at one can cause the fish undo stress and make them more acceptable to diseases. :byebye:
 
well, Now i'm really desperate I only have 5 of the twelve over and they look rather terminal. I was never told that i needed to do water tests. i wasn't even told how I had to change the wate and that i only had to change 20% instead we changed every week and a half all the water. then what do you think I have to do now to save my precious friends.
 
First, dechlorinate any new water you put back into your tank to removed deadily chlorine and chloramine. Don't do big water changes or you'll remove any bacteria trying to cultivate. I wouldn't do no more then 15% daily, but you need to get your water tested(can get done at a fish store for $5) to see where your at in the cycling process. Read the link I gave you, it guides you how to build up bacteria if you scroll down the page abit where it says "How to save the day...". Do you have a friend with a tank with a balanced environment you could borrow filter media(for bacteria) from? Fish keeping depends on that bacteria.
 
Hello,

Sorry about all your problems... but please stick with it, this is a great hobby!

First off, Aquarium Doctor WSP is a cure for a specific problem called "white spot", often referred to by Americans as Ick. As the name suggests, this disease consists of small (icing sugar sized) grains all over the fish. Often you spot one or two on the fins first, then some more a few days later. It's pretty common, and aquarists of all skill levels have to deal with it.

Anyway, Aquarium Doctor WSP won't fix other problems like fungus, bacterial infections, poor water quality, old age, or anything else. So for the store to blindly sell you the stuff without checking to see if your fish actually had a case of white spot was very wrong.

Fish swimming weirdly is rarely a problem with white spot. More likely poisoning, bacterial infections, dropsy, and so on. Sometimes it comes and goes by itself, but more often with small fish especially once they get to the stage of swimming upside down, that's the end of the road.

Almost always, problems with sick fish are problems with the tank. This doesn't neccessarily mean you've done something silly but that you haven't chosen the right fish for your tank. For example, pencilfish are delicate, need soft and acidic water, and have no tolerance for nitrite. In London tap water, which is very hard and alkaline, they are basically being kept in the wrong kind of water, and it doesn't take much to kill them. Likewise neons, dwarf gouramis, and a whole bunch of other soft water fish widely sold without anyone telling the purchaser what they need.

If you go to a garden centre and look at the plants there, there will be labels saying that they need clay soils or acid soils or whatever. Likewise fish often have very specific needs as far as water goes.

Similarly, a new tank (i.e., one less than 3-4 months old) is a hostile environment as far as fish go. As someone in TFH magazine once said, a fish swims around in its toilet, but we're the ones who flush it for them. We need to create a filter that removes the short-term toxins (nitrite and ammonium) and make water changes to dilute the long-term toxins (nitrate and dissolve organics). Neither of these things is difficult, but they are subtle.

Too many water changes early on slows down filter maturation, so for the first month or two you want to only make small water changes (I'd recommend 10% a week) and only use a few, nitrite-resistant species. In London tap water, black mollies would be ideal. Alternatively you could just dump a bit (a 1 cm cube) of lean steak or fish in there and let it rot for a few weeks before adding any fish at all. That would have the same effect. You can also add various potions to speed up the process; they work for some people, but others don't consider them up to much. Personally, I find them helpful.

After a month of just a few black mollies you can then slowly build up the community of fish. Use a nitrite test kit to make sure the nitrites aren't too high. Follow the instructions on the box about how often and when to carry them out. These test kits cost about 5 to 10 pounds depending on the brand. I use the dip strips, which among other things can be sliced down the middle to make two tests per strip. Very cost effective!

In London tap water, bear in mind your most successful fish are going to be ones pre-adapted to a pH of 7.5 to 8 and a very high hardness level. Nitrates are also high; here in Hertfordshire my supply has up to 100 mg/l out of the tap even before I add the fish!

I'd avoid gouramis, rasboras, tetras, and South American cichlids (like angels). Instead opt for things like swordtails, platies, guppies, mollies, rainbowfish, gobies, and halfbeaks. Central American and African Rift Valley cichlids also do well in London water, as will brackish water fish provided you add some salt (e.g., monos, scats, puffers, Colombian sharks). Killifish are hard to find in London but some species, such as Florida Flags, do well in London tap water. Hard, alkaline water has several advantages for fish keeping once get past the shorter list of suitable species. It is self-buffering, moderating the pH swings that can be harmful, for example. You can also add sea shells without worrying about what it will do to the pH, and things like snails and shrimps only thrive in alkaline, hard water. So, London tap water is excellent for keeping fish, provided you know which fish to get...

There are also lots of plants that can use calcium carbonate (the mineral salt that makes the water hard) and so do well in hard, alkaline water. These include Vallisneria, Elodea, Ceratophyllum, and Java Fern.

The best you can do with your tank right now is probably to sit on your hands! Adding stuff like potions and tablets in the hope they'll fix the problem isn't wise. Getting an aquarium book from the library should be your first thing to do, and use the health guide in there to see if you can identify specific diseases (if any). Then do a nitrite test. (You could do ammonium, but its connected to the nitrite so you may as well do one or the other, rather than both.) You can assume the nitrates are high because you're in London, and even in the best case scenario -- water fresh out of the tap -- the nitrates will be "high" as far as purists (and delicate fish like marines and discus) are concerned. Unless you want to use nitrate removal filters, forget about it for now.

Don't add any more fish until your nitrites are zero, and have been for at least 3-4 weeks. Then only add two or three small fish (say, three platies or two swordtails). Monitor the nitrites over the next few weeks, testing once a week at least. As others have pointed out, make sure you do things like use a dechlorinator and don't overfeed.

I hope this helps,

Neale
 

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