Having Trouble Lowering Nitrate Levels

lordhans

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Firstly, thanks in advance for any help. I sort of stumbled upon this forum and it is one of the better looking ones I've seen!

Short version first:
-Three weeks ago my nitrate readings were pushing 160ppm using a API
master test kit.
-Today they are almost the same level, maybe a tiny lower.
-I have a fluval 305, a penguin 305 biowheel filter, and a smallish powerhead.
-The aquarium is not overstocked and there are a few plants growing in it.
-In the last 3 weeks I have cleaned the gravel twice, done two 50%
water changes and 4-5 10-20% water changes. My tap water has some
nitrates in it (around 20-40ppm). However this is still much lower
than the levels in the aquarium and the nitrates won't go down!
-A added some de*nitrate to the filter media, although I've read it
isn't all that effective especially with nitrate levels already so
high.
-Considering using store-bought drinking water with no nitrates.
Again, however, I'm perplexed that the nitrate levels haven't gone
down more significantly using 20-40ppm tap water so I don't know how
big of a difference store-bought water would make.
-Help!

Long version, with more details:
I'm having a tough time getting the nitrate levels down in my
aquarium. It is a 100 gallon aquarium with 3 large Bala Sharks (6-7'),
a large Gaurami, and a few tetras. I had purchased a few clown loaches
and an algae eater to replace some fish that had died of old age. The
new fish were dead the next day. I used an API master test kit and pH,
ammonia, and nitrite levels were all within acceptable parameters.
However, the nitrate levels were off the charts (well, at 160ppm, the
highest possible on the color comparison charts).

I began doing some information gathering on how to reduce nitrate
levels. Admittedly the aquarium was somewhat poorly up kept-- partial
(10-20%) water changes every few weeks and a gravel cleaning suction
tube every 5-6 months. The filter, a Fluval 305, was also underrated
for a 100 gallon aquarium (it is rated at 70 gallons). I blame the
high nitrate levels on a combination of poor cleaning and a giant
common plecostomus we used to have (that #19### was messy). All of
this was about 3 weeks ago.

Since about 3 weeks ago I've become more interested in upkeeping my
aquarium and making it a new and habitable place for my fish. In an
effort to lower nitrate levels I have done two 50% water changes and
4-5 partial water changes as well as vacuuming the gravel fairly
thoroughly twice. I purchased a penguin 350 biowheel filter that is
rated for 70 gallons. I also replaced half of the foam filter media in
the fluval 305 filter. I previously had those plastic under-gravel
grate things used for underwater filtration spanning the length of the
aquarium with a powerhead at one end. I found there to be an
incredible amount of gunk that had built up under them so I removed
all but the one that the powerhead is connected to. I have also added
some elodea plants and just today added some de*nitrate remover to the
fluval media containers (although I have read it won't get rid of all
that much nitrate).

I used tap water for all of my water changes. There are some nitrates
in our tap water in the 20-40ppm range so this has made getting the
levels down more difficult, however when I retested the aquarium water
today is still up in the 160ppm range..although the color might have
been a little lighter than before indicating a somewhat of a reduction
of nitrate. Not sure.

In any case, does anyone have any suggestions on how to lower my
nitrate to an acceptable level? I have considered picking up a bunch
of gallon bottled water from Costco or something (which contains no
nirates), but what else can I do?

Thanks again.
 
"ammonia, and nitrite levels were all within acceptable parameters" the only acceptable parameters for ammonia and nitrite is a reading of 0
 
Water change...water change....water change. :good:


Get the vac out and really just keep after the gunk that has built up. The built up gunk is being processed into ammonia by the heterotrophic bacteria in the tank. That is being converted into nitrite and then nitrate, in addition to the current waste from your fish. There is only one thing you can do, and that is to get it out of your tank. Do the biggest water change that you can, gravel vaccing every space you have until it is coming up clean. Then, refill. Next day, do it again. Next day, do it again. This will lower your nitrates faster and more permanently than anything else, including just adding water without any nitrates. The levels of your tap are fine for the fish - many fish can tolerate levels far above what you currently have with no ill effects. The issue is the gunk and the ammonia it is producing. It won't be a lot of fun, but you have to make up for the previously poor cleaning that has happened with that tank. Roll up your sleeves and get after it!



Oh, and welcome to the forum! :hi:
 
I wouldn't assume that your test kit is correct, nitrate test kits are so inaccurate that they're not worth using, only good for the bin in my opinion.

De-nitrate products I would advise against anyway, as any nitrate can be removed with a water change, if you're doing a large water change and you're still getting a reading of 160Mg/L then your test kit isn't working, plus 160Mg/L is nothing to worry about really, it's just ideal to keep Nitrate as low as possible as the effects are not fully known long term.
 
Hi lordhans :)

Please take a look at this article on Old Tank Syndrome. It might be your problem.

http://www.bestfish.com/oldtank.html
 
Also, before using your test chemicals, first rap the bottles on a tabletop or similar surface to dislodge any stuff clinging to the inside of the bottle. Then shake, shake and shake some more before putting drops in the test tubes. Make sure they haven't expired as well.
 
Thanks for all the advice everyone! I will keep up with the water change/getting the gunk out and report back.
Thanks again!
 
I wouldn't assume that your test kit is correct, nitrate test kits are so inaccurate that they're not worth using, only good for the bin in my opinion.

De-nitrate products I would advise against anyway, as any nitrate can be removed with a water change, if you're doing a large water change and you're still getting a reading of 160Mg/L then your test kit isn't working, plus 160Mg/L is nothing to worry about really, it's just ideal to keep Nitrate as low as possible as the effects are not fully known long term.

Hrm..OK, cause yeah even after large water changes the nitrate level remains very high.
However, I think the test kit is working somewhat: The aquarium water tests for ~160ppm, tap water tests for 20-40pp, and bottled water tests for 0ppm. So it is not as if I'm getting high readings regardless of the water I'm testing.
Thanks for giving me something to consider though.
 
Bottled water generally contains nitrate, it should tell you on the side the concentration, I've test multiple nitrate test kits against calibrated digital equipment and all have been poor.
 
I think the problem here is most likely that your nitrate isn't 160ppm at all. As that's the highest reading on the API test, I should think what's happening is your actual nitrate level is way, way higher.

So, the reason it's not seeming to come down with water changes is this; say your nitrate is 500pp; you do a 50% water change, but that will bring it down to only 250ppm; it'll still read as 160ppm on the test.

If you keep on doing water changes it will come down eventually.
 
I think the problem here is most likely that your nitrate isn't 160ppm at all. As that's the highest reading on the API test, I should think what's happening is your actual nitrate level is way, way higher.

So, the reason it's not seeming to come down with water changes is this; say your nitrate is 500pp; you do a 50% water change, but that will bring it down to only 250ppm; it'll still read as 160ppm on the test.

If you keep on doing water changes it will come down eventually.


Yeah, I think you are right.
 
Do two or three changes where you almost empty the tank; leave just enough water for the fish to swim upright (switch your heater off first... :crazy: ) and it'll soon be down to what your tap water is :good:
 
Thanks for all the help everyone, my nitrite levels are now around 20-40ppm (the same as my tap water).
 

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