Getting Concerned About My Corals

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ive been having issues for a few days with both my SW tanks. it started with the 4ft tank on saturday. i noticed my jardinii was looking a little wilted and usually this happens when the nitrates start to creep up. so i did as i usually would and did a 25% water change. i tested the water before changing it and stats were:

amm 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 5ppm, ph 8.3, sg 1.024, phosphates 0, calcium 440, copper 0 and ppm KH 179.

usually after a water change, if there has been any issues, everyone starts perking up. sadly this didnt happen. at first at was just my jardinii, one of my soft trees, my gorgonian and my medium sized hammer.

on sunday, no one looked any better so i started looking around for critters that could have died in there and are releasing some toxin into the water. everyone i know of are all accounted for. i still did another 10% water change in an effort to try and rid whatever is in the water if indeed it is anything :)

yesterday morning no one was looking any better. now most of my corals were half retracted and limp. i went into my bedroom to get the refractometer and everyone in my nano was looking the same. the bubble tip anemone was all curled up and looked like a half chewed mintie and the carpet anemone looks like he is sitting down rather than standing up on his usually long, thick stem. i tested the water in the nano and the stats were the same as the big tank except for nitrates which read 0 as i had only done a water change the day before when i did the 4ft tank.

this morning, every single coral i own from ricordeas and fluffie morphs to jardiniis and gorgonians. :( i have tested the water in both tanks and they both had the same stats: amm 0, nitrite 0, nitrates 0, ph 8.3, phos 0, copper 0, and ppm KH 179 for the 4ft and 196.9 for the nano.

tank systems - the 4ft runs on a 100L sump returning at 3400lph. a macro aqua as-300p protein skimmer and an 800lph internal power head. nano is 20g and runs on an aqua clear 110 and a home made 400lph skimmer. both run t5 lighting and arent heated as the rooms are climate controlled. both tanks are pretty stable at around 25C. i used to mix my own water but now i use natural sea water.

the only new things that have been added to the tanks are: a couple of trachophyllias (one in each tank) and a blood shrimp in the nano tank. i use daily additions of calcium, trace elements, strontium and iodine. i used chlormon by aquasonic in the nano tank. and finally, i injected an aptasia in the nano the other night and missed him a little and some went into the tank. but that was only the nano tank and after the probs had already started with the big tank. plus, i have different nets and buckets etc for each tank to prevent cross contamination if anything is happening in either tank.

both tanks get a mixture of food: brine shrimp, mysis shrimp, mega angel food, marine dinners, marine green dinners, spectrum marine flake and pellets, spirulina flakes, cyclop-eeze and a little nori.

i am at a loss as to what is happening with my corals. all the fish and shrimps etc are fine. any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
 
Sorry to hear about your soggy corals :( Must be really frustrating.
But common sense dictates that if its happening in both tanks then its something thats going on with the water you are adding. I see you are using sea water, stupid question but where are you getting this from?.lol I wouldnt trust any ocean sadly these days due to polution etc. I would go back to using RO and mix a good brand of salt, at least this way you know whats in it. Try adding carbon to your sumps/filters this may help soak up anything thats in there that you cant test for.
If its sea water you are using it could all be down to a polution problem thats just occured and if you keep changing the water your just making the situation worse.
I'm just a beginner myself to all this so these are just common sense suggestions and nothing more. Hope the problem sorts itself soon as you have a gorgeous tank there :)
 
Sorry to hear about your soggy corals :( Must be really frustrating.
But common sense dictates that if its happening in both tanks then its something thats going on with the water you are adding. I see you are using sea water, stupid question but where are you getting this from?.lol I wouldnt trust any ocean sadly these days due to polution etc. I would go back to using RO and mix a good brand of salt, at least this way you know whats in it. Try adding carbon to your sumps/filters this may help soak up anything thats in there that you cant test for.
If its sea water you are using it could all be down to a polution problem thats just occured and if you keep changing the water your just making the situation worse.
I'm just a beginner myself to all this so these are just common sense suggestions and nothing more. Hope the problem sorts itself soon as you have a gorgeous tank there :)

i thought about the water supply already. but, the water i use at home is also used for my shop and no probs there. i have asked a few customers who have bought water from me and they report no probs. it is also used at the other marine aquarium i go to and they have no probs either. i rang and asked them first :good: so my common sense did prevail :) it is also from the same batch ive been using at home with no ill effects thats why im confused.

i live close to the GBR and my water comes from a guy who gets it from a place near the bottom tip of the reef. he is pretty fussy about his water :) we cant use RO here as we are on absolute killer water restrictions because of the drought. thats why i only have only freshwater tank as of last weekend. RO is considered a deadly sin in my neck of the woods lol we are only allowed to use 140L of water a day. after you have a shower and do the dishes there isnt much left for anything. and if you go over your quota, they slog you a mighty hefty fee.

i already have a large bag of carbon and ceramic media in the sump :good:

Hope the problem sorts itself soon as you have a gorgeous tank


thank you :)
 
I forget about the water issues down under, where the opposite here..lol The whole coutry nearly got washed away 6 weeks ago..lol
I can understand the water issue it must make keeping any tyoe of fish a nightmare :( I'm glad I dont have to pay for the water I use otherwise Id be bankrupt inside a month :(
I guess its every reefers worse nightmare.. Problem that you cant get to the bottom of and having to watch all your hard and cash wither in front of your eyes. My heart goes out to you, it really does.
I hope one of the more experienced guys see this thread and respond soon, they may be able to offer a glimmer of hope for you.
BTW you lucky so and so for living near the GBR..;)
 
Are you or anyone in your house a smoker?
Are perfumes, colognes, or powdered makeups used in the same room as the tanks?
What do you use for evaporated water? (if rainwater, do you at LEAST run it through carbon?)
Have you recently verified/calibrated your refractometer with a home-made calibration solution?
Any recent problems with cloudy water?
Have you considered stopping feeding current foods and sticking with some flake/pellet only for a week?
Have you changed your carbon recently? (as in since the problem began?)

Is it possible to get some fresh saltwater in buckets or a spare tank with powerheads, match salinity and temperature to your tank, and then just plunk the corals down in there? You may have to do this to save your corals as it sounds like the tanks are contaminated with something.
 
Are you or anyone in your house a smoker?
Are perfumes, colognes, or powdered makeups used in the same room as the tanks?
What do you use for evaporated water? (if rainwater, do you at LEAST run it through carbon?)
Have you recently verified/calibrated your refractometer with a home-made calibration solution?
Any recent problems with cloudy water?
Have you considered stopping feeding current foods and sticking with some flake/pellet only for a week?
Have you changed your carbon recently? (as in since the problem began?)

Is it possible to get some fresh saltwater in buckets or a spare tank with powerheads, match salinity and temperature to your tank, and then just plunk the corals down in there? You may have to do this to save your corals as it sounds like the tanks are contaminated with something.

yes, i can get something sorted to put the corals in...i have a whole marine section in my shop :good:

i am a smoker but dont smoke in the rooms with the tanks. when i do need to use freshwater, i usually boil water in this massive soup pot thing i have. then i add prime and leave it until the following day before i use.

i havent calibrated the refrac personally but it has been done very recently. water sample was also taken and tested at the marine shop around the corner where refrac was calibrated. everything read the same as my tests but i felt better knowing the tests were the same.

i have already cut them down to feeds of flake, pellets and/or cyclopeeze.

other than the carbon in a big bag in my sump, i dont have any carbon anywhere in the tank and the carbon was added last weekend.

i got a new batch of water yesterday and did another water change. everyone in the big tank looks a lot better this morning. except for onw of my soft trees that still doesnt release its polyps and is going white in a few places :(

the nano is also better but the carpet nem is still very flat. he usually stands up quite tall and his stalk is a nice white colour. now though it looks like he is squatting and the flesh isnt as taut. the colour of his stalk is dark grey now.
 
i am a smoker but dont smoke in the rooms with the tanks.

Be that as it may, I've read stories on the internet of people with crashed tanks as a result of being smokers even in other rooms or the basement... I'd be most concerned about that.

For your freshwater, I'd HIGHLY reccomend getting a carbon filter for it before you boil it and before you add prime. Not sure if you have a similar product but here in the States "Brita" drinking water filters are very common and easily available. Basically you pour water into a resevior that sits atop a plastic jug. The water goes through a carbon filter and drips into the jug for drinking. Works like a charm and may remove potential pollutants from your tapwater that could be harming your tank.
 
i am a smoker but dont smoke in the rooms with the tanks.

Be that as it may, I've read stories on the internet of people with crashed tanks as a result of being smokers even in other rooms or the basement... I'd be most concerned about that.

For your freshwater, I'd HIGHLY reccomend getting a carbon filter for it before you boil it and before you add prime. Not sure if you have a similar product but here in the States "Brita" drinking water filters are very common and easily available. Basically you pour water into a resevior that sits atop a plastic jug. The water goes through a carbon filter and drips into the jug for drinking. Works like a charm and may remove potential pollutants from your tapwater that could be harming your tank.

i should clarify...i either smoke outside or right up the other end of the house behind 3 closed doors and out a window lol my husband isnt a smoker so i make sure no smoke gets into the house as he is also asthmatic

ah yes, "brita water, better water" thats the ad for it here :) we were thinking of putting one of these on the kitchen tap but we have decided to get a rainwater tank on account of the drought and the tank we have chosen comes with a water purifying contraption inside the tank that filters the water before it comes out. i previously havent worried too much but they are adding more chems to the water now that our water catchments are running low. we used to have superb water quality but that was before global warming started taking its toll on my little corner of paradise...*mumbles under her breath about stupid global warming and how it never rains anymore...im supposed to live in the tropics and i cant find a drop of moisture anywhere...grrr...lol* anyhoo, i digress.

im going to pack everyone up and move them to the shop. the other corals at the shop are ok so they should be fine there until i get this sorted. what should i do next? if their is some pollutant in the water, should i put all the fish in the quarantine tank, empty the main tank and refill? or does it not need to be that drastic? as i said, many are looking better today but there are many that are still quite wilted and withdrawn. *sighs* if it isnt one thing, its another lol

this is a pretty out there idea, but is it possible that the air con is pushing out something that is affecting the water? that is the only thing that has changed of late. it was only installed about a week ago.
 
If it was a new unit, I'd be hard pressed to believe that it's leaking enough freon into the house to make it to the tank and contaminate the water before it evaporates into the ionosphere... Very very unlikely.

I'd go the drastic route as far as waterchange goes... Replace the whole darn thing
 

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