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For those who leave fish in when doing large wc (50-75%) + clean/vacc substrate

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for those who leave fish in when doing big wc (60-75%) + clean/vacc substrate/uneaten food, are you afraid your fishes will eat the leftovers/uneaten foods and get sick?

when i leave them in and when the gravel is stirred, old uneaten food/waste comes up and i couldn't get to them in time, the fishes eat them so fast. i'm afraid they may get sick
 
I must have some seriously picky fish - either that or they're stressed out of their minds because they are not thinking about eating anything when I'm in there cleaning. I've never seen them eat anything or even look like they were remotely interested in the uneaten food being kicked up.

If it's a concern for you, could you get a clean up crew - snails or shrimp or small catfish - to eat the food from the substrate in between water changes?
 
When I had gravel I just pushed the wide end of the siphon tube into the gravel, watched till the bits stopped flowing then moved to the next bit. I didn't get any debris in the water. Now that I have sand the debris gets sucked straight off the surface.

There shouldn't be any left over food in/on the substrate - we should only feed what the fish can eat. Having excess food on the bottom of the tnak leads to snail population explosions :blink:
 
I also have a situation where muck gets stirred into the water column when I do a vac/water change, but in my case it's because I have plants and can't really get down into the substrate to vacuum so I try to gently waft stuff up with my hand towards the nozzle and invariably stuff stays in the water column for ~30min until it gets sucked into the filter. This is mostly loosened algae bits or fish/snail poop, I rarely see a flake get all the way to the ground before it gets eaten.

What I have concluded is my issue is that I run out of water that I can remove before I am satisfied with my vacuum job, so it is what it is. The rest goes into the filter but the water has particulate for ~30min after a water change.

To your original question though: fish often take stuff into their mouths to taste it, and then spit it out if it's not something they feel is edible. It could be that your fish are just sampling what's getting stirred up. If your water parameters are good and match what your fish need, and your fish are healthy and not otherwise compromised, and most importantly you don't have worms or parasite eggs in your tank, then your fish should not get sick. It's like when you get a paper cut, most often you don't get an infection in your finger because your immune system is doing it's job and combats any bacteria/viruses that might have been on the paper that you cut your finger with. Fish taste stuff often and if their immune system is working, they should not get sick from it.
 
If you are using a gravel cleaner correctly, there shouldn't be anything floating up into the water for the fish to eat.
 
I have sand on the bottom of both my tanks and do not ever see much uneaten food being disturbed. Are you using the vac properly?
 
I’d disturbs the gravel before removing water ... get it all floating round then start the water change or just feed less lol
 
I also have a situation where muck gets stirred into the water column when I do a vac/water change, but in my case it's because I have plants and can't really get down into the substrate to vacuum so I try to gently waft stuff up with my hand towards the nozzle and invariably stuff stays in the water column for ~30min until it gets sucked into the filter. This is mostly loosened algae bits or fish/snail poop, I rarely see a flake get all the way to the ground before it gets eaten.

What I have concluded is my issue is that I run out of water that I can remove before I am satisfied with my vacuum job, so it is what it is. The rest goes into the filter but the water has particulate for ~30min after a water change.

To your original question though: fish often take stuff into their mouths to taste it, and then spit it out if it's not something they feel is edible. It could be that your fish are just sampling what's getting stirred up. If your water parameters are good and match what your fish need, and your fish are healthy and not otherwise compromised, and most importantly you don't have worms or parasite eggs in your tank, then your fish should not get sick. It's like when you get a paper cut, most often you don't get an infection in your finger because your immune system is doing it's job and combats any bacteria/viruses that might have been on the paper that you cut your finger with. Fish taste stuff often and if their immune system is working, they should not get sick from it.
You can squeeze one end of the syphon to make it like a kink in a hose to stop the water flow. the more you release the kink the more water suction there will be. You can adjust the amount of water you suck up during your water changes so that you can gravel vac all the spots that need to be vacummed before the water runs out.

Aquarium co op also has a video about this technique
 
@Yohance1130 that's actually a really good point. I don't necessarily need as much suction as I currently have. otoh, it'll take longer that way! who likes water changes?!?! lol :D thank you for the tip though, I'll try it out next time.
 
You can squeeze one end of the syphon to make it like a kink in a hose to stop the water flow. the more you release the kink the more water suction there will be. You can adjust the amount of water you suck up during your water changes so that you can gravel vac all the spots that need to be vacummed before the water runs out.

Aquarium co op also has a video about this technique
Or, just get one of these, and use the shut-off valve near the siphon end to decrease/stop the flow: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000255NXC/?tag=ff0d01-20
 
@Yohance1130 that's actually a really good point. I don't necessarily need as much suction as I currently have. otoh, it'll take longer that way! who likes water changes?!?! lol :D thank you for the tip though, I'll try it out next time.
Np. Yea I used to have the same problem as you also. By using this trick I have never had a problem with vacuuming everything that is needed in my tank again. I learned it from Cory- from Aquarium co op on YouTube If you have trouble doing it just search up aquarium co op syphon tips on YouTube.

Sorry I can't find the video.:(

Or you can get a shut off valve like Slaphppy7 mentioned.
 
Np. Yea I used to have the same problem as you also. By using this trick I have never had a problem with vacuuming everything that is needed in my tank again. I learned it from Cory- from Aquarium co op on YouTube If you have trouble doing it just search up aquarium co op syphon tips on YouTube.

Sorry I can't find the video.:(

Or you can get a shut off valve like Slaphppy7 mentioned.
It's not just the valve, but the entire siphon set-up...they come in different lengths, as well :)
 
When I had gravel I just pushed the wide end of the siphon tube into the gravel, watched till the bits stopped flowing then moved to the next bit. I didn't get any debris in the water. Now that I have sand the debris gets sucked straight off the surface.

There shouldn't be any left over food in/on the substrate - we should only feeder very little on top. what the fish can eat. Having excess food on the bottom of the tnak leads to snail population explosions :blink:
My goldies are in gravel and I do like Essjay. I get very little on top.
 
Or, just get one of these, and use the shut-off valve near the siphon end to decrease/stop the flow: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000255NXC/?tag=ff0d01-20
I tried that once. My lot are far too inquisitive. A fully grown guppy made it too within a couple of feet of the sink before I managed to turn the tap off.
Two tiny mosquito fish may not have been so lucky, eight went in to the main tank about 3 months back and I’ve not seen more than 6 at the same time since. I’ll know in 12 days time when the big move to their new species tank begins.
Ive a gravel vacc which I use at the same time as the pythons emptying the tank. The python needs an old one of MrsLurchs stocking feet attached by a rubber band. I’m surprised they’ve not manufactured a screw on end mesh cap type thing yet actually.
 

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