For those that have birds....

SuckerLove86

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Hey all! I'm holding a big debate in my mind right now over wether or not I should get a bird. Here's some questions I've come up with....

1. What is a good "beginner" bird? Locally available I have mainly parakeets and finches. Some canaries but they seemed pretty "up there" in price.

2. Are birds a fairly social animal, as in, should I get two birds opposed to one?

3. It breaks my heart to see birds at the store in so small of cages that they can't actually do any flying. How big of a cage would I need to VERY comfortably house two birds? I saw a hexagonal cage at local store.... about 30" tall and 18" in diameter.

4. Obviously, I wouldn't even debate getting a bird if I didn't think I had the time to take care of it, but how much time can I expect to spend helping a bird/birds live happily?

Thanks in advance guys. I've seen some of the beautiful birds that some of y'all have. Would love some advice. :D
 
Birds rock. And i love them.

I believe finches, or canaries are a great first choice for a beginer. I am a beginer too, but luckily my parents hgave alot of experinece with birds too. few....

I rescued an australian galah, or to you in america a parrot, and we built a 10' long by 8' high by 8' wide bird cage on our half an acre block of land, so she has plenty of room! :D (Its probably bigger than that, its just a guess)

Anyways, birds arnt that demanding. Feed them quality seed, treat tem with nuts and fruit, give them water and shell grit for digestion, and clean their cage once a week, and you should have a happy bird or birdies!

Beware, any allergies such as asthma and sneezing in a family member, and u may be faced with getting rid of the bird.

The bigger the cage the better also. Provide toys such as ladder and mirrors to keep them occupied.

It is also important to give them some nontoxic, different sized branches. This acts as a massage on their feet and provides them with stimulation. Like humans and the sense of touch!

Beware, somebirds do make a fare bit of mess, so beware! Lol

There are many good books publiished, it may be wise idea to purchase a book before a bird. They are a joy to keep though!
 
Is there any sort of rule like the inch per gallon fish thing? Like so many inches of bird per square foot of area? Probably a dumb question but it's worth a shot....

My local store has crested zebra finches. They look pretty cute and seemed to be pretty active at the store. Didn't make an overwhelming amount of noise either.

As far as I know, the only thing I'm allergic to is oil-based face paint and elephants. :crazy:
 
The most imporant thing is good diet. If you can put the bird on a high quality pelleted diet instead of seed it would be a million times better. It can be hard since most birds are already used to a seed diet when you buy them and switching them over is a pain in the butt. Good quality pelleted diets are Zupreem, Roudybush, and Lafeber's. If you do go with a seed mix avoid one with seeds and nuts like pumpkin and sunflower because those are just fat and have no nutritional value. Also feed lots of dark leafy greens. Millet is also pretty good nutritionally as far as seed goes if you wanted to give them it as a treat every once in awhile.

Here is a good article on switching a bird over to a pelleted diet.
Converting your bird to a healthy pelleted diet

And one on parrot nutrition... this wont apply if you decide to get finches, but it's good for parakeets, cockatiels (not parrots but still), and pretty much anything else.
Parrot Nutrition

Cage size all depends on what type of bird you want. And if you want the bird to bond to you, don't get mirrors. Zebra finches are really hard to tame, they are more of an aviary bird that belong in groups. But you can tame them with enough time and effort.

GL with whatever bird you choose :thumbs:
 
Where to get one?
- It doesn't matter if you're looking for a finch or a macaw - look at bird rescues, shelters, and on petfinder before you buy from your local pet store. There are literally hundreds, probably thousands, of homeless birds out there because people get them without realizing what a responsibility they can be. While some rescued birds will never be as "hand tame" as a hand raised one, others are wonderful, and all need homes. Most birds at reputable rescues have had a health check, have a known temperament, and are on the way to being converted to a proper diet.
- If you can't find a rescue, see about breeders. Once more, the birds are more likely to be healthy, tame, legal, adjusted to a good diet.
- When you get a pet store bird, you're probably getting something poorly bred, mass bred, and unsocialized. The overcrowding of all those litte cages create ideal situations for disease spread. Don't be fooled by "hand raised" signs - I've meant plenty of "hand raised" pet store birds and they're no more tame than something wild caught. Furthermore, most pet store birds are eating junk food, so it can be harder to convert them to a balanced diet. And finally... by supporting a pet store, you're supporting a industry that doesn't care who takes the bird, they just want it sold. Thus, they are adding to the huge numbers of homeless and displaced birds out there.
What is a good beginner bird?
Well that really depends on what kind of relationship you want with your bird. Finches and canaries don't tend to get too hand friendly if you don't have the time to invest in them (I raised mine from a newly hatched chick and he still hates people) since they aren't too different from wild finches. They are lovely to look at, less noisy (in volume) than larger birds, require little attention, and are generally cheaper to feed.
However, if you want a bird you can pet and teach to perch on your finger and let out of the cage, I would say trying a parakeet or 'teil might be a good idea, mainly because they are pretty hardy, inexpensive compared to parrots, and are domesticated, whereas parrots are captive bred wild animals. However, just because they are little doesn't mean they aren't just like parrots in their needs for diet in attention. They should be on a balanced pelleted diet, supplimented with leafy greens, fruits, veggies, and protien items. If you want them to bond to you, get one and spend at least an hour or more a DAY devoted just to it. Keep it in an area of the house where it will get lots of attention. Buy plenty of toys - keets and teils are smart. If you don't have the time to get it to bond with you, than get a companion. Try to do this at the time you get it as birds with an establish territory will fight, and be prepared to split them up anyways if a conflict arises.
Doves can be lovely pets if you don't mind the feces. They have been domesticated for years and years, are mellow in nature, have a beautiful "voice," and can live in flocks with minimal attention. However, they need a lot of space due to their large size, and carry some avian diseases.
I do not reccomend parrots to anyone (and I wish that people who got them woudl get them via rescue), but that is because I oppose the ownership of captive wild species, I have worked at rescues and seen the huge volume of abandoned birds, and I feel that no one can truly provide what they need as far as space, companionship, and diet. Not to say there aren't wonderful owners and rescues out there, but sadly most parrots just don't get what they need. So, they would def. not be a begginner bird ;)
Do I need more than one bird?
That depends on how much time you spend with your bird, and what species. ALL birds are happier in a flock situation, but it doesn't always work out for the pet owner. I'd say if you get a finch, get a companion - or several. Chances are a finch will not warm up to you, so don't keep the poor thing solitary. Most parakeets and cockatiels need to be kept singly to bond to people, so make sure you'll have enough time for them if you plan on keepng them alone. If not, you could get two and enjoy watching them, but they may not bond to you as a companion.
What Size Cage?
If birds were wild, they would have the skies to themselves, so there is no such thing as a cage that is too big. I have two parakeets in a cage that is 4 feet tall, 2.5 feet deep, and 3 feet wide. I would consider that size to be "adequate," but if I had the space and money I'd go bigger. I would say, find the biggest and safest (ie birds can get out of bars) cage you can afford, so you have lots of room for accesorries, toys, and a second bird if needed. There is no rule of how big like there is in fish, but the bird should definately have enough space to fly and be active, unless you plan on letting it out of the cage for long amounts of time.
How Much Time
Again, this depends on the type of bird and if you want it to be your companion. If you are making a teil or parakeet bond to you, expect hours a day to create the bond, and at least an hour a day to keep it. However, if you are looking for a nice bird or two to brighten your home up with songs and color, birds take up very little time. All you need to do is offer fresh food and water daily, clean once a week (maybe twice for more birds), and check to see that they are keeping healthy.

Hope that helped ^^ Good luck with your new bird! I'm glad you're trying to find out more before buying one.
 
Thanks guys! That was some awesome help.

I've found a local store that has rescue birds and store bred, handfed birds. They were very knowledgeable and actually the store specialized in birds. I learned a lot from them and after asking around, I've heard only good things. So I think that's gonna be my point of purchase.

The prices seemed reasonable ($15 per parakeet, $10 per society finch) and though some of the cage prices seemed a little "up there", I'd be more than happy to pay some extra to support knowledgeable practice.

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get a parakeet pair. There was a light blue/white male and a green/yellow female that really caught my eye.

Then again, the finches had a lot of personality....

:crazy:

Decisions....
 
Oh man. I can spend hours in a fish store debating what kinda fish I so desperately need next. Luckily I've narrowed my bird options to two.


Oh, and just a little funny side note....

When the shop owner was talking to me, he had his favorite parakeet on his shoulder and it was rambling on about something.... eventually, it stopped it's banter, scooted closer to the guys ear and said "you're wierd."

It's so cool to hear them speak! They sound like a slightly out of tune radio.
 
Hahaha aww, yea they are cute when they talk. I have a rescued Amazon parrot who the prev. owner named "Pretty Bird" (HE happens to be a very handsome boy). He's slowly teaching all of my birds his name, but my oldest parakeet Velveeta never picked up the "bird" part, so she just screams "PREEEEEEEEETTY. PRETTY-PRE-PRETT-PREEEEEETTY" every time she gets mad at me. :lol:

That sounds like a very interesting store. The ones up here are horrid; PSP has this little parakeet who has no tail, hardly any feathers, and a big chunk missing out of his cere from the other birds beating him up. They finally isolated him, but now he's just lonely and depressed on top of being mangled. :(

Oooh also I forgot to mention it up there, but if you are doing pellets/fruit/veggies/greens for the keets, I've heard that Grit isn't a good idea as they don't especially need it and it can impact their gullet (I hope that's the right word; I'm blanking over here for some reason). Parakeets also seem to have a knack for getting fatty liver disease, though if they are fed proper it shouldn't be a problem. I only have one bird who still eats seeds instead of pellets, and it is because she is almost 10 years old and refuses to change her diet; almost became rather ill trying. But it sounds like you can get a younger one so it oughten't be an issue. ^^
 
Parrotlets! I have 2 and they are amazing, they can talk, sing, cuddle, smallest parrot in the world, fits anywhere, super cute. Ok im done.
 
I can only go from my experience...

I have a budgie/parakeet and he was my first bird. I have him on his own until he is tame, then I am getting another. I choose to do this because it is difficult to tame birds if you have ore than one unless one is already tame. Symon has a fairly big cage:

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... but it is never closed and so he gets as much excersize as he wants. He also has company in the form of my 3 guniea pigs who he goes down to eat with, sit with and generally torment.

He eats mixed budgie seed, millet, hay, guinea pig dried food and salad vegetables (last three are with the pigs).

There is usually someone at home so he is always getting attention but I would say if you are only going to get one that a special effort has to be made as they naturally live in big groups and could get lonely very easily.

Oh, and don't give them a mirror.
 
i hope this works?!?

EDIT: YAY, it did work!!!

This is my Galah, named "Angel". My bro was given her cause a native animal park didnt have room for her any more, and they were going to release her. Almost certain death for parrots. Sad though it is.
 

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