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rabbut
I don't bite, all that often...
They aren't hard to keep if you set them up right and avoid anything with poor survivability in captivity (like Manderins Dragonettes for example, unless you have a huge tank or want to pratt about with live food cultures)
The basic requirements of a marine tank will greatly depend on what you want to keep and your objectives for the tank. The hardest bit is setting up, with all the research required to get the correct hardware
it isn't as simple as add a heater rated a 1 watt per gallon, add water add a filter rated at 5X an hour minimum and your away with the equipment part as it is in FW, all choices on equipment have to be made after choosing stock, or you face the risk of being limited in what you can keep due to the equipment possible not being able to support your stock choices 
All the best
Rabbut
The basic requirements of a marine tank will greatly depend on what you want to keep and your objectives for the tank. The hardest bit is setting up, with all the research required to get the correct hardware
it isn't as simple as add a heater rated a 1 watt per gallon, add water add a filter rated at 5X an hour minimum and your away with the equipment part as it is in FW, all choices on equipment have to be made after choosing stock, or you face the risk of being limited in what you can keep due to the equipment possible not being able to support your stock choices All the best
Rabbut
sorry if not allowed to put links from other forums but you can read this for help on what you need
Links are sometimes allowed in the Marine sections, but only for advanced knowledge not often reproducable here; regards SkiFletch
also look at part 2 in the same topic
Links are sometimes allowed in the Marine sections, but only for advanced knowledge not often reproducable here; regards SkiFletch
also look at part 2 in the same topic
rabbut
I don't bite, all that often...
You are not supposed to post links to other forums, but that could make for a handy shopping list of essentials. You still have brand choices, flow rates, quantities of Live Rock e.t.c to make though...
Do you really want to go down the FO route, or is FOWLR a possibility. Contrary to what that link would have you believe, LR is not an essential, more an optional item or equipment. This said though, it is highly recommended like a Protein Skimmer :nod
I think the Flame angel may require a larger tank. Could you run the dimensions by us please? All you other stock would be fine for the tank, set-up either RO or ROWLR
What is the likelihood of you adding corals, Anemones, e.t.c?
All the best
Rabbut
Do you really want to go down the FO route, or is FOWLR a possibility. Contrary to what that link would have you believe, LR is not an essential, more an optional item or equipment. This said though, it is highly recommended like a Protein Skimmer :nod
I think the Flame angel may require a larger tank. Could you run the dimensions by us please? All you other stock would be fine for the tank, set-up either RO or ROWLR
What is the likelihood of you adding corals, Anemones, e.t.c?
All the best
Rabbut
sorry i havent checked my tank out in a while its not 120 ltr dimensions are 36"x 15" x 12" which is only 100 ltr so i will say the flame is out the window! nevermind
at the minute i am running this tank as a FW tank with a interpet epf150 and a flurval 3 plus internal filter with just basic lighting and heating. would it be ok to convert this is a FO marine tank.
i dont want to bother adding any corals etc just want to concentrate on looking after the fish before going full reef!
at the minute i am running this tank as a FW tank with a interpet epf150 and a flurval 3 plus internal filter with just basic lighting and heating. would it be ok to convert this is a FO marine tank.
i dont want to bother adding any corals etc just want to concentrate on looking after the fish before going full reef!
rabbut
I don't bite, all that often...
If full reef is likely later, it would be easier to convert over later if you go FOWLR now 
You could set-up a bio-mechanical set-up "on the cheap" with what you have, plus a Protein skimmer unless you really enjoy water changes and have a lot of cash to burn on salt...
Basically, once the FW tank is ripped down, you clean everything thoroughly, then fill it up again with salt water, before starting a fish less cycle on it after adding in all the equipment. When cycled, you start adding your fish This is known as a Bio-Mechanical set-up, and they tend to be high maintenance. You would run it with 25% weekly water changes if you skim, probably nearer 50% weekly will be needed without a skimmer. This system is not suited to most corals though, and many fish types will struggle in a Bio-mech system and it's prevailing high Nitrate and Phosphate problems associated with running a tank without Live Rock to remove them.
The Better way is to add about 10KG of Live Rock for that tank size, and a pair of Korailia 1 or 2 power heads, or my preference a pair of Tunze nanostreame 2065's. You current heater will work with this, and your current lighting will keep you going until the reef conversion, and then you may require a lighting upgrade depending on the corals you wish to keep...
HTH
Rabbut
You could set-up a bio-mechanical set-up "on the cheap" with what you have, plus a Protein skimmer unless you really enjoy water changes and have a lot of cash to burn on salt...
Basically, once the FW tank is ripped down, you clean everything thoroughly, then fill it up again with salt water, before starting a fish less cycle on it after adding in all the equipment. When cycled, you start adding your fish
This is known as a Bio-Mechanical set-up, and they tend to be high maintenance. You would run it with 25% weekly water changes if you skim, probably nearer 50% weekly will be needed without a skimmer. This system is not suited to most corals though, and many fish types will struggle in a Bio-mech system and it's prevailing high Nitrate and Phosphate problems associated with running a tank without Live Rock to remove them.The Better way is to add about 10KG of Live Rock for that tank size, and a pair of Korailia 1 or 2 power heads, or my preference a pair of Tunze nanostreame 2065's. You current heater will work with this, and your current lighting will keep you going until the reef conversion, and then you may require a lighting upgrade depending on the corals you wish to keep...
HTH
Rabbut
so what your saying is my setup at the min is ok as a starter. 10 kg of live rock and powerheads will get me up and running. also protein skimming seems essential when you put it that way (water changes etc) any you recommend i mean my tank isnt too big i have found this - http
/www.reefstore.co.uk/cart/V2Skim-120...r-pr-17863.html would it work ok im unsure as i have never dealt with any kind of skimmer before!
/www.reefstore.co.uk/cart/V2Skim-120...r-pr-17863.html would it work ok im unsure as i have never dealt with any kind of skimmer before!
Truck
UKAPS
really you need live rock for angels as they eat algae, especially flame angels. the live rock will grow algae on for them to eat, otherwise you will have to supplement, also they can be very aggressive too!
rabbut
I don't bite, all that often...
I do believe madness is giving the angel a miss Truck Good move considering the size of the tank IMO
That skimmer is a tad too small for a 100l tank. Really, you'd be looking for one rated at 200l tanks for one of 100l, as a rule of thum. though you are lightly stocked with no corals, so that one rated at 120l would be enough assuming you stick to the light stocking
Personally, I wouldn't touch TMC skimmers with a 10ft wooden barge pole. I know many of my mates have had issues with their motors just a few months after purchase. This said, they get good reviews and strong followings on here
I'd look at something like a second hand or new Deltec MCE 300 for your tank, or an Aquamedic Turobflotor of similar size Tunze also make good skimmers, but are a it more pricey...
HTH
Rabbut
Good move considering the size of the tank IMO That skimmer is a tad too small for a 100l tank. Really, you'd be looking for one rated at 200l tanks for one of 100l, as a rule of thum. though you are lightly stocked with no corals, so that one rated at 120l would be enough assuming you stick to the light stocking
Personally, I wouldn't touch TMC skimmers with a 10ft wooden barge pole. I know many of my mates have had issues with their motors just a few months after purchase. This said, they get good reviews and strong followings on here
I'd look at something like a second hand or new Deltec MCE 300 for your tank, or an Aquamedic Turobflotor of similar size
Tunze also make good skimmers, but are a it more pricey...HTH
Rabbut
http/www.tunze.com/149.html?&L=1&...r_tunzeprod_pi1[predid]=-infoxunter050 that any good?
also read alot about ro water? do i need this with a no coral setup can i just treat the water the same i have with my fw system?
/www.tunze.com/149.html?&L=1&...r_tunzeprod_pi1[predid]=-infoxunter050 that any good?also read alot about ro water? do i need this with a no coral setup can i just treat the water the same i have with my fw system?
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also read alot about ro water? do i need this with a no coral setup can i just treat the water the same i have with my fw system?
Truck
UKAPS
i would use Ro water, not only is it pure, it will inhibit algae growth as it contains no nitrate or phosphate
rabbut
I don't bite, all that often...
That skimmer should certainly do it (Though the link was bust, so I had to try fix it from what was there, so I hope I got to the right one 
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RO will keep algae at bay and is considered essential for coral tanks. If you are sticking to FOWLR and not adding and copper sensitive inverts, you are unlikely to need to use RO. If you tap water contain copper and you want inverts in there as Clean Up Crew, you will need to use RO to avoid anything happening to your prised inverts
HTH
Rabbut
(Though the link was bust, so I had to try fix it from what was there, so I hope I got to the right one )RO will keep algae at bay and is considered essential for coral tanks. If you are sticking to FOWLR and not adding and copper sensitive inverts, you are unlikely to need to use RO. If you tap water contain copper and you want inverts in there as Clean Up Crew, you will need to use RO to avoid anything happening to your prised inverts
HTH
Rabbut
ive kept fw inverts with a lot of sucess especially the electric blue lobster i got given lol he flourished a little to well in my tank. are marine inverts a lot more sensitive to copper than fw! how expensive is it to get from lfs's. i think gettin my own ro unit is not a option is there no addative i can get to add to the water to eleminate the copper!
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