Tank size: Was in 215 Litres, moved to Quarantine 12 Litres yesterday. Generally same readings on both aquariums.
pH: 8.2
ammonia: 0
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 20-40ppm (I find my test not brilliant at this, when I take a sample to the LFS it is usually 0)
*kH: 100mg/L
*gH: Between 125-250 mg/L
tank temp: 82F in Quarantine, was about 80F in 215L
*King British Test Strips for these tests, others done with an API Liquid Test.
Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):
Checked in with LFS and they thought it maybe stress behaviour, thus no further salt baths etc.
Have added glass worm to Q tank but have not been in to see if she is eating, and generally have the tank fairly dark to avoid any stress.
I have seen a fish in the past with swim bladder and this does not seem to be the same, plus the LFS thought not, but I am not 100% sure what it can be?
What is unusual is the darting behaviour when she swims horizontally.
Volume and Frequency of water changes:
215L - 25-30% weekly/fortnightly. Water Change done on this aquarium 1 week prior to moving the girls from Quarantine. New Powerhead also fitted as other one had become intermittent.
Quarantine - was changing small amounts daily when three girls were in there. Will begin this again with new fish but left a couple of days to see if she would settle.
Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:
215L Runs a powerhead of 1000L/hour over media of black sponges over ceramic noodles, plus some filter wool. Central chamber has Nitrate removal sponge plus noodles. Plus an external filter 1400L/hour - sponges (different grades) and ceramic noodles (has ability for UV light, which has been on sometime in the past but not since new girls were added).
Aqua Pure Pond balls in both filters.
Ferropol Liquid added 24 hours prior to girls being moved from Quarantine.
Substrate = JBL Aqua Base Plus, then a layer of Unipac Aqua Sand.
Quarantine runs a small HOB with mature filter wool previously removed from the 215L, plus a couple of Aqua Pure Pond balls inside the filter wool.
No substrate.
Almond Leaves in all aquariums.
Use Nutrifin AquaPlus Water Conditioner on all aquariums, except last water change on the 215L I used Seachem Prime.
Tank inhabitants:
215L - other females x10, Corys x6, Danios x3, Hillstream Loach x1, Pencilfish x10, Kuhli/Java Loaches x10, Assassin Snails x2
Lots of plants and bogwood
Quarantine - female now on her own - see above as previously with two others.
Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration): As above routine, three girls moved from Quarantine.
Exposure to chemicals: None other than the Ferropol put in 24 hours prior to going into the 215L, plus water conditioner (see above).
Tank Age (How long the tank has been up and running): About 5 months
Previous treatments/issues: Treated the 215L with Kushri Wormer at beginning of the year on the advice of my LFS. Reason was we were unsure why I lost three new females, two from dropsy shortly after their arrival and one from an unknown cause, it appeared her back end failed. I was advised that fighter girls can be difficult - but that is maybe a separate topic for later!
215L aquarium has been slowly stocked and appeared all OK before these last three girls were added.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU:
So do I feed/not feed? I have some frozen brine shrimp in garlic that I have thawed out...should I give her a little?
Do I give Aquarium or Epsom salt baths or not?
Is it the start of swim bladder? If so, do I lower her water, give her Epsom salt baths or some other treatment? Is there a risk of stressing her further?
Do I worm her or not?
Or do I wait another 24 hours and see what happens?
I just know with all these things, the sooner it is identified and treated the great chance the fish has.
When advising me it would be helpful to know your experience with Betta Splendens and if you have seen anything like this condition in other species?
Thanks in advance for all your help, really do not want to loose her.
PHOTOS
P...207...jpg = female in initial quarantine.
P...472...jpg = female today (sorry taken in dim light so colour is not as clear)
Really hope someone out there has some answers, she is such a sweetie.
pH: 8.2
ammonia: 0
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 20-40ppm (I find my test not brilliant at this, when I take a sample to the LFS it is usually 0)
*kH: 100mg/L
*gH: Between 125-250 mg/L
tank temp: 82F in Quarantine, was about 80F in 215L
*King British Test Strips for these tests, others done with an API Liquid Test.
Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):
- Female Fighter (Silver Platinum Half Moon Dragon), approx 3-4 months old, was in quarantine for 2 weeks along with 2 other females. All females very happy in Q, feeding well, and living well with each other.
- Moved into 215 Litre about a week ago.
- 4 days after moving to larger aquarium, noticed this female being "picked on" periodically and darting away from different fish. In the morning moved her into a breeder net for a "rest" inside the 215L. Saw her twirl around upside down and dash/dart sometimes. Gave her a 15 minute salt bath in the evening.
- Was eating well and seemed to rest initially in the plants in the breeder net.
- About 36 hours later remained primarily in the corner of the breeder basket standing on her head, appearing to be pecking at the bottom of the basket.
- Moved into Quarantine aquarium. Has continued the behaviour of swimming around on her head, appearing to sometimes peck at the bottom of the tank. Tends to be fully vertical most of the time, or sometimes at 45 degrees. If she does swim horizontally tends to dart about a bit until returning to swim around on her head. Now and again she seems to lodge herself between the rock ornament in the aquarium and the almond leaf remaining in a vertical position.
- No signs of any bloat.
Checked in with LFS and they thought it maybe stress behaviour, thus no further salt baths etc.
Have added glass worm to Q tank but have not been in to see if she is eating, and generally have the tank fairly dark to avoid any stress.
I have seen a fish in the past with swim bladder and this does not seem to be the same, plus the LFS thought not, but I am not 100% sure what it can be?
What is unusual is the darting behaviour when she swims horizontally.
Volume and Frequency of water changes:
215L - 25-30% weekly/fortnightly. Water Change done on this aquarium 1 week prior to moving the girls from Quarantine. New Powerhead also fitted as other one had become intermittent.
Quarantine - was changing small amounts daily when three girls were in there. Will begin this again with new fish but left a couple of days to see if she would settle.
Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:
215L Runs a powerhead of 1000L/hour over media of black sponges over ceramic noodles, plus some filter wool. Central chamber has Nitrate removal sponge plus noodles. Plus an external filter 1400L/hour - sponges (different grades) and ceramic noodles (has ability for UV light, which has been on sometime in the past but not since new girls were added).
Aqua Pure Pond balls in both filters.
Ferropol Liquid added 24 hours prior to girls being moved from Quarantine.
Substrate = JBL Aqua Base Plus, then a layer of Unipac Aqua Sand.
Quarantine runs a small HOB with mature filter wool previously removed from the 215L, plus a couple of Aqua Pure Pond balls inside the filter wool.
No substrate.
Almond Leaves in all aquariums.
Use Nutrifin AquaPlus Water Conditioner on all aquariums, except last water change on the 215L I used Seachem Prime.
Tank inhabitants:
215L - other females x10, Corys x6, Danios x3, Hillstream Loach x1, Pencilfish x10, Kuhli/Java Loaches x10, Assassin Snails x2
Lots of plants and bogwood
Quarantine - female now on her own - see above as previously with two others.
Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration): As above routine, three girls moved from Quarantine.
Exposure to chemicals: None other than the Ferropol put in 24 hours prior to going into the 215L, plus water conditioner (see above).
Tank Age (How long the tank has been up and running): About 5 months
Previous treatments/issues: Treated the 215L with Kushri Wormer at beginning of the year on the advice of my LFS. Reason was we were unsure why I lost three new females, two from dropsy shortly after their arrival and one from an unknown cause, it appeared her back end failed. I was advised that fighter girls can be difficult - but that is maybe a separate topic for later!
215L aquarium has been slowly stocked and appeared all OK before these last three girls were added.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU:
So do I feed/not feed? I have some frozen brine shrimp in garlic that I have thawed out...should I give her a little?
Do I give Aquarium or Epsom salt baths or not?
Is it the start of swim bladder? If so, do I lower her water, give her Epsom salt baths or some other treatment? Is there a risk of stressing her further?
Do I worm her or not?
Or do I wait another 24 hours and see what happens?
I just know with all these things, the sooner it is identified and treated the great chance the fish has.
When advising me it would be helpful to know your experience with Betta Splendens and if you have seen anything like this condition in other species?
Thanks in advance for all your help, really do not want to loose her.
PHOTOS
P...207...jpg = female in initial quarantine.
P...472...jpg = female today (sorry taken in dim light so colour is not as clear)
Really hope someone out there has some answers, she is such a sweetie.