Ethics Of Scientific Aquarists

Lynden

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When I take a glance at the tremendous amount of topics on Tropical Chit Chat, as well as on the other subforums, it is difficult to comprehend the amount of cumulative research done to figure this all out. Some of the things done to find this information in the first place invokes thoughts of extreme cruelty to animals, of which I would never even consider doing - such as injecting bee venom into trouts to find out if they can feel pain. They can. :crazy: :sick: :-(

But many of these horrendous acts would prove to help many fish in the years to come. So, it makes me think, is it worth torturing an animal knowingly to see how much it can withstand? Of course this would add to man's vast bank of information. Or, is it far better to not take chances, and remain ignorant to the animal's endurance level? The drawback to this decision is of course that it could impede scientific developement, such as medical advances. But considering how far man has already progressed past nature's intended level, could this be so bad? Man already lives for three or four times the length he did before industrialization. Must we still harm our lessers so we can advance even farther?

And then there is the ethic of aquarium keeping at its core. The animals we keep are not meant to be taken from the wild. Of course, if the tank is done right, the individual can still be happy, and even accomplish it's purpose - to breed. We can then release these animals back to the wild, sometimes increasing the wild population of an endangered animal. But it is important to remember; these animals, with few exceptions, would not be endangered if man had not dominated the Earth. Planet Earth has reached a point of mass extinction unmatched by any other period of time. Man has changed the planet so vastly that few living things are unaffected. Aquarium keeping has not damaged wild populations any more than the destruction of tropical rain forests / coral reefs has.

So, is what we do the right thing, or not?
-Lynden
 
i think that most if not all experiments on animals is for humans benifit. we treat animals with little or no respect. humans are unfortunatly destroying and damaging the planet.

my 'theory' on humans is that we evolved too quickly-becoming very intelligent without the wisdom to controll ourselves.

aquariums are obviously not the natural or best place for the animals to be, but if we provide the animals with a good home-and as you say if they breed, then mabie they are 'happy' enough.

most individul humans are good but together we are an almost unstoppable force-damaging the planet as we go-

dan
 
i think that most if not all experiments on animals is for humans benifit. we treat animals with little or no respect. humans are unfortunatly destroying and damaging the planet.

my 'theory' on humans is that we evolved too quickly-becoming very intelligent without the wisdom to controll ourselves.

aquariums are obviously not the natural or best place for the animals to be, but if we provide the animals with a good home-and as you say if they breed, then mabie they are 'happy' enough.

most individul humans are good but together we are an almost unstoppable force-damaging the planet as we go-

dan

Interesting theory. Only now, in the Information Age, have we begun to realize our mistakes.

Hmmm....

-Lynden
 
Instead of testing on animals, they should test on bums and criminals!

As for fish keeping: Aren't most fish farmed now anyways? I don't believe a farmed fish has the brains to realize what he is missing. Although there are sometime terrible conditions for them (Stores, people who don't know about fish keeping and keep an oscar in a 10 gallon). I dont advocate collecting wild animals for the pet trade at all, although now I think I actually have some fish that are collected from the wild and I kinda feel bad (My kuhli loaches).

Interesting theory. Only now, in the Information Age, have we begun to realize our mistakes.

Only some people have, the others have not (Business people!)
 
Most freshwater fish are farmed. The vast majority of marine animals are wild caught, as well as a good 30% of oddball freshwater fish species.
 
That's what I thought: I have easily bred in captivity freshwater non-oddball fish!

Although I see that you have marine fish...
 
That's what I thought: I have easily bred in captivity freshwater non-oddball fish!

Although I see that you have marine fish...

I have also bred a few freshwater fish, including Rosy Barbs, Blood Parrot, Oscars, Blue Acara, Mollies, Guppies, Platies, Swordtails, ect.

Whenever I watch a coral reef show I feel terrible... then I remember that the fish are doomed as soon as they are caught. Might as well buy them and give them a better life than they might in a "nemo" tank owned by an eight-year-old.

-Lynden
 
But as you buy them your are raising the market for marine fish...which gives business to more marine fish catchers (if that is the proper term)
 
But as you buy them your are raising the market for marine fish...which gives business to more marine fish catchers (if that is the proper term)

Good point, but the ones I purchase are a very small fraction (0.0001%) of the market. I hate to be ignorant, but they would have just a slight difference if i didn't buy what I do. They (the poachers) don't care anyways. They have more than enough buyers. :-(
 
"Interesting theory. Only now, in the Information Age, have we begun to realize our mistakes"
we have realised our mistakes but still we do nothing about it-the use of fossil fuels-millions of cars- the over fishing of our oceans, the distruction of many species homes eg the rainforests

"I don't believe a farmed fish has the brains to realize what he is missing."
i agree with this but i know where id rather be if i were a fish or any animal-in the wild, probley more chance of death in the wild (unless ure in a badly kept aquarium) but id take my chances regardless.

i have an african grey parrot which was my mums and was passed on to me. he was captive bred. i think he is happy with me. (he comes out of cage 2 or more hours a day)
he knows nothing about the wild and if i released him he would die. however i sometimes feel bad because natrually he should be flying about somewhere in africa-living it up :hyper: but he is confined, most of the time to a cage :/

ignorance is bliss
 
Well yes, i would also be in the wild, instead of some fish keepers tank. But one of the good things about keeping tropical animals is the enjoyment that somepeople have of them, and they actually want to do something to save them. Although I do not advocate keeping tropical animals at all, unless it is a farmed freshwater fish of course!
 
i agree with u man-mabie i stressed my point a bit too strongly-
i love keepong fish, and if kept in decent conditions its all good
 
The tropical fish trade results in the suffering of untold munbers of fish. People engage in the business because it is profitable. By participating in the hobby - we encourage it. We can try to rationalize our hobby all we want but that's the simple truth of the matter.
 

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