Dying Cockatoo

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Some of you may have seen my thread in the New World forum on the new pair of cockatoos I bought on Friday night. I was concerned about them, especially the male, since yesterday because he became very inactive.

Since sometime yesterday, I think in the late morning, I noticed the male sat in one spot, hidden in some plant cover. He looked alright - he was not breathing heavy and his fins weren't clamped - but he just didn't move. It didn't seem right to me because he appeared to be more active the previous day and should have gotten more used to the tank and less afraid. Instead, he seemed more scared and less willing to come out and eat.

I work from home so I just took a lunch break and looked in on the fish. At first, I was happy because the male moved and was in a different part of the tank. He was swimming in between some plants, rock and driftwood and I almost thought that maybe he was clearing out some kind of a cave for himself. I watched him for a few minutes and then he went back behind the driftwood into the back corner of the tank. I thought he was feeling a little fiesty because I saw a couple of tetras dart out from back there. "Maybe he's establishing his turf?" I thought, encouragingly.

Then suddenly I see him and he looks like he's dying! He's hidden himself in between some plants again but he is lying on his side and breathing very heavily. I hate to say it but he looks so bad that I expect that when I go back downstairs after work that he will be dead.

Probably just to make myself feel better, and to hopefully save the female if there is something wrong with the tank, I quickly did a 17 % water change (5 gallons out of 30) and inserted something I bought one time at the lfs called a "polyfilter". Supposedly, it filters out harmful chemicals and impurities, including ammonia.

I also did a quick test for ammonia and everything seemed normal. However, now I don't trust myself with the test kit. It's one of those kits where you take tank water and add drops and look for a color change. At first glance it looks like 0 ammonia, but I keep second guessing myself and keep wondering if I'm seeing a tinge of green in the yellow liquid. Unfortunately, the lighting in my house if very bad. I suppose of there was ammonia present then I would definitely notice, but considering that the cockatoos are a sensitive fish maybe even less than .25 ppm will cause a problem.

The sudden change in the fish was remarkable though. It was almost as if he ate something when he was picking among the plants that made him sick. Is it possible there was some kind of pocket of ammonia or other chemical that poisoned him? Still, I may have just witnessed the tipping point, as I said I had been worried about him for the past 24 hours.

Unfortunately, I had to go back to work. I'm really under the gun for the next couple of days and if I wasn't worried about the fish I probably would have worked through lunch. I'm not sure what else I can do. I think the male is probably a gonner, judging by the way he looked when I left him. I don't know if there is anything else I can do. Incidentlly, the polyfilter apparently changes color if there is ammonia present. If there is it should turn green, otherwise it just turns yellow, then brown, then black as it aids in mechanical filtration. It looked to be turning yellow for the 30 minutes or so it was in the tank.

I welcome any suggestions on what to do or your sympathy. This will be my first fish death and I'm very sad and sorely disappointed. However, I do take comfort in the fact that almost everyone has lost a fish and that it's just part of the hobby.
 
Now it is too late. The little fella passed away. :( :rip:

I feel so sad now. I just hope I can keep the female alive. She doesn't come out of the plants but I don't know what else to do except do another water change.
 
Just keep an eye on water quality, sorry for your loss, also could of been stress due to a move to a new enviroment, sorry.
 
I am so sorry for what has happened. I don't want you to get discouraged. I have been reading and watching you as you have been putting your tank together. You have, IMO, done nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing wrong according to your posts. You have asked for help, and, you appear to have followed the advice given. The cockatoos may have not been the healthiest of fish to begin with. Please don't start second guessing what you have done. If your water quality is as you have posted, you can cause way more problems if you start tinkering with it.

Hang in there,

Greg
 
Thanks for everyone's sympathy. It is definitely discouraging but I'm not giving up. The female is still alive but she is showing some of the same signs as the male, hiding, not moving, barely eating. I take a little comfort in the fact that she is still alive and does not seem to be gasping for air. Maybe if she can hold on for another couple of days she will be alright.

It is possible that the fish were not that healthy to begin with. My lfs only had them in for a couple of days and although they held them for me, I didn't want them to sit in the shop too long as I know they need to move fish. It's their business after all, although they probably would have held them a few more days.

The only reason I second guess myself though is that the fish seemed a lot more healthy during the first 24 hours that I had them than during the second. It makes me wonder if there's something wrong with my water. The one thing I don't know about is water hardness. I don't have a test kit for that. Perhaps the water is too hard for them.
 
I think I may have found out what the problem is. I checked the pH this morning and it was up to the highest levels of my test kit, 7.6. This is unusual because my pH is generally in the neighborhood of 7.0-7.2. I understand that apistos are sensitive to alkaline conditions but one of the reasons I chose the cockatoo was that it was less sensitive to slightly alkaline conditions. Considering my water seemed to be maintaining a fairly constant pH near neutral I thought I was safe. However, I have no idea how my pH could have shot up like it did.

I know there must be something in my tank that raises the pH slightly as water from the tap is around 6.8 but my water is always slightly more basic. Anyway, in an effort to help alleviate the problem I just did a 30% water change. It's too soon to tell if that helps the l'il gal perk up or not. More importantly though, I want to find out what could have made my pH spike like that.
 
Shells, some rocks will raise pH. What decor do you have?
If rocks/substrate suspect, drip some vinegar on them, if it fizzes, leave 'em out.
 
My decor is just rocks, plants, and driftwood. I got most of the rocks from the lfs. I will test them with vinegar to see if they are the culprits. Thanks for the test tip. The funny thing is that the pH had been steady for weeks.
 
Is the tap reading current...just checking, water supply will sometimes change things on us, w/out our ok. ;)
 
reg2k2 said:
Is the tap reading current...just checking, water supply will sometimes change things on us, w/out our ok. ;)
You know, I didn't think of that. It is possible that when I did my last water change that the pH was higher from the tap. The test numbers I quoted was from that day's water. I guess I need to test the tap pH every time I do a water change.
 
No, I was just thinking sometimes we can get comfortable w/ what our source readings are (and sometimes were).
Not suggesting you need test tap ev. time...though of course it can't hurt.
 
Well, the good news is that the female is still alive. Although she does spend a lot of time in hiding, she does swim about the tank from time to time. My wife told me that last night while I was out she was actually swimming with the tetras a little bit.

She's still very shy and although she looks alright I'm concerned that she's not eating a lot. My tetras are real pigs and as soon as any food hits the water they're all over it. I'm hoping they miss enough so that there's food that floats down to her level. Do cockatoos scavange around at all? I mean will she look for little bits of food that gets stuck in plants or floats to the bottom?
 

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