Does Nobody Read The Pinned Articles Anymore

[SuperColey1]

It is starting to get to the point where there are 4 threads on this page alone where it says 'newbie need advice' or something similar from 4 different posters all asking simple questions which are answered in the pinned topics above.

I don't know about Aaron or the others but I am starting to get tired of posting up the same replies all the time to people who obviously can't be bothered to do a little for themselves. I don't mind filling in a few gaps or misunderstandings from the pins but please can you read them first and then post with any queries you have.

Rant over
Andy

 

[nosoup4you]

If you refer to me, I'm sorry. I do try to do my own research before asking questions. Your help is greatly appreciated, however grudgingly given.


We're not worthy!

 

[fapjat]

All pinned articles are appreciated. Sometimes the terminology or abbreviations in highly technical info can lead to confusion. It seems that many people have question with answers that are pinned. These individuals are just looking for specifics to their own personal tanks. I would have never thought that their was so much to about fish. I love it, but for beginners terminology and pictures upon pictures are needed to bridge the gap in the learning curve of fish.

Please keep pinning articles.

Thank you!!!

 

[Night61]

I am sorry if someone asking for help is bothersome for you. However this is a place where people ask questions and share there experiences with others. That is the whole purpose of this site, if you cannot be bothered to help then don't post or leave

 

[SuperColey1]

You misunderstand me. I know there is a lot to learn and the pinned articles can confuse. I have no problem clearing up queries about the pinned articles nor a problem with going further in depth and more advanced than the pinned articles but it is getting to the point now where people are not reading the pins and are just asking straight away the question.

the pins are there for an instant piece of research. No searching, no having to find them. If they confuse we can help unconfuse and even add info that isn't there but please, please, please and end to lazy people who come straight out with a question because they can't be bothered to do a little theirselves first.

No Soup. you did some research first which is why I have (not grudgingly) posted in your threads.

Fapjat - You understand exactly what I mean as stated above.

Sailornight - You misunderstand totally. look at my post count!!! I would guess over half of that was helping others!!! There is no problem with asking questions and indeed this is the place to do it. I don't think anyone on this forum could say that I am not willing to answer questions or help/advise them on things BUT all it takes is a little bit of self research and then asking rather than basically saying 'This is what I've got...Tell me what to do'

I remember when I started I had a tank. I liked planted. I researched loads. I asked questions to fill in the gaps. I asked questions to help me understand things but at no point did I go straight in and say 'Tell me what to do, I want a step by step guide'

This is a hobby that needs patience, learning, understanding. The more you put into it the better the enjoyment. those who ask now follow the guidance without knowing why will always come back asking why it didn't work. The reason more often than not is because they didn't learn the process/theory properly and therefore missed something out when asking a question etc.

I can post a 'Planted tank for Dummies' but then when people apply it without understanding the vital parts of planted tanks then they will fail. they will blame the instructions when in fact the instructions would work perfectly and they in fact had done something wrong due to their failure to learn the hobby!!!

AC

 

[nosoup4you]

No worries, I was just being cheeky.

 

[Truck]

your probably refering to me but i dont mind, but i do put in the hours of research its just these funny terms, we kinda need a 'jargon' buster/glossary on the forum, i know there is one for abreviations.

im sorry if been a real pain in the ass, but i have no where else to turn.

you guys are great your very knowledgeable people.

 

[SuperColey1]

Nope you are another that I helped after you doing some of the work first. Many aren't though. They are straight in with the here's my gear. What happens now thread.

AC

 

[aaronnorth]

Yes i do get tired of answering the same questions, or ones that just require a google search - for example someone asked 'what do i need for a successfull planted tank' and gave no details of their aims, i cannot answer nor can anybody else without going into an essay, so if they would of read the pinned articles, then asked some more specific questions, like 'i understand i need CO2 (because i have read the pinned article!) but which system would you reccomend as i am still unsure which would be best for my tank'
Then i would of been happy to help.

 

[JustKia]

I, for one, was very greatful of the pinned topic on pruning, but I still wanted to clarify that I had understood correct and to expand on the plants I wasn't sure about.
Had I not asked to double check I would have actually ended up pruning one of them wrongly, so kudos on both the pinned topics and the back up advice from those in "the know".

 

[Dave Spencer]

I am sorry if someone asking for help is bothersome for you. However this is a place where people ask questions and share there experiences with others. That is the whole purpose of this site, if you cannot be bothered to help then don't post or leave

Wow! That is a fantastic contribution to the planted tank forum. I am sure people will find you to be of far greater help then SuperColey1. Cheers.

If you bothered to do any research yourself ie take a look at the quality of Andy`s posts, you wouldn`t have written your response. What Andy is alluding to is things such as gravel v sand threads popping up one after the other.

Here is a great link:

http/www.google.co.uk/

Dave.

 

[xxBarneyxx]

I havent been in the planted section for awhile (as I dont have a planeted tank anymore). However it is the same in all the sections. The pinned topics are great but you have to imagine that some people are coming in knowing nothing at all, they then look at some of the pinned topics which are talking about things like WPG, Different dosing methods, CO2, substrates, etc and it is very confusing.

I havent looked at the pinned topics in the planted section for awhile but if its anything like the marine section then there are probably about 40 or 50 links scattered throughout them. The information held in them is brilliant but for someone completely new it can be a bit to much to digest which is why people would then prefer to post directly.

I totally agree that people should read all the pinned topics first, ask a few question then go back and read them all again. I did this with both my marine and planted tank and both of them where over 6 months in the planning before I got into it. Not everyone has the time or inclination to do this though.

Personally I do also sometimes get bored of answering the same questions over and over again, however if I dont want to answer someone I just dont. I can pretty much gaurentee that every one of us has asked a question before that is already covered in one of the pinned topics and received help for it still.

Not having a go or anything (so please dont take it that way) but no matter waht forum you go to people will always ignore the pinned topics (no matter how good they are) and then post questions they could have asked themselves. You either answer them or ignore them, nobody is forcing you to do either. We just have to remember how confusing it all was when we got started

 

[Nick16]

im with you on this one andy, it does get a little tiresome. some people i dont mind helping but others it just gets annoying becuase you think to yourself, whats wrong with google, or hmmm i think there is a pinned topic on this.!!!! or when the get aggressive after you have spent a while trying to help them.

 

[SuperColey1]

I totally agree that people should read all the pinned topics first, ask a few question then go back and read them all again. I did this with both my marine and planted tank and both of them where over 6 months in the planning before I got into it.

As I said the pins aren't there to be a 'don't ask any questions on this subject' warning. They can be confusing which is where the threads can come in. People can read the pin. Get an idea of what they mean. Clear up any misunderstandings or parts that they don't understand via the threads but they will be better for that small amount of time they took and the 80% of the information they did understand which we can turn into 95% by clearing the confusion

Not everyone has the time or inclination to do this though.

this one is easy to answer Planted tanks are a very time consuming hobby whether they have livestock or not. If someone doesn't have the time nor inclination then there is no point in helping them because they will not have the patience to be able to get an understanding and will be continually asking why this, why that before giving up because it wasn't perfect within a month. this category of people would be better off not wasting the amount of money a planted (or reef) tank costs to setup and concentrate their money on something that does not take patience!!!!

AC

 

[JustKia]

whats wrong with google

Some people just aren't google savvy - refining your search to get some worthwhile answers can take a bit of practise and some never get the knack (although once you have it you kinda forget what it was like to not have it), on another hand sometimes google is what led the person here - google led me here