Dave`s Juwel Lido Journal.

Dave Spencer

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Spent two months reading up on the subject on the internet. Learnt a lot from Tom Barr and George Farmer. Decided plants were they way ahead for me.

Tank: 120l
Filter: Juwel internal. I wasn`t too worried about the bad press because my plants were going to provide most of the filtrartion.
Lighting: 54W Interpet Daylight Plus T5, 54W Interpet Triplus T5 (3.5WPG). 10 hour photoperiod. Juwel lights not used. I have found that my T5 lights raise the water temperature by 3 Degrees C over the photoperiod.
CO2: Pressurised JBL with solenoid shut off at night. JBL vario diffuser.
Substrate: API Laterite and Argos play sand (because Corydoras love sand). JBL undrergravel heater.
Fertilisers: As per the pinned EI article.

Tap water: pH 7.2 (6.2 in tank), nitrates 5ppm, phosphates 1ppm, KH 3, GH 3.

30/11/06:
Tank filled in order to sort out the substrate and minimal decor. Filter and heating on, but no lights.

05/12/06:
My first ammonia reading: 0.1 mg/l. Nitrites still at zero.

06/12/06:
Tank planted: 50 Hygrophilia Polysperma, 25 Vallis, 25 Egeria Densa, 25 Ludwigia Arcuata, 25 Rotala Rotundifolia, Echinodorus Tennellus, Java Fern.
CO2 was started at 1 bubble per two seconds, lights on and EI dosing to 1/3 target. Vallis starts to pearl after two hours.

07/12/06:
Most plants are pearling.
pH 24 hour drop test result was .8, but affected by bogwood. CO2 increased to 1.5BPS.
Ammonia and nitrites are zero.

08/12/06:
Hair like algae starts to appear at the bottom right hand corner of the tank.
Ammonia and nitrites are still zero.

09/12/06:
Ammonia and nitrites are zero so....four Bumblebee Shrimp and two Otos added. Both were a bit too delicate to introduce at this stage, but I couldn`t help myself because I was confident my tank was not going to go through a cycle.
Some green spots of algae on the glass, some hair like algae starting to appear on the Java Fern.

11/12/06:
pH 24 hour drop test still at .8. CO2 increased slightly (bloody crap JBL regulator).
Adding fauna has had zero effect on the water readings, all looks good.
Vallis is starting to show threads of algae.

13/12/06:
Three Peppered Corys and two bumblebee shrimp are added. there is a green tinge on top of the sand and the Corys will turn this over.

14/12/06:
Phosphates are always a little over target and I rarely seem to need to dose. Sometimes I wonder how accurate the kits we use are. I carry out quite a lot of chemistry analysis in the power industry.

15/12/06:
Two Otos and three Amano Shrimp are added. My anti algae task force is growing.

17/12/06:
I wondered what the rise in pH was overnight with the CO2 off. It was measured at 0.4.

18/12/06:
Some threads of algae are 5in long, flapping in the water flow and laughing at my attempts to suppress a creature that has been on this Earth for billions of years. The puny human increases the CO2 slightly (about three bubbles every two seconds).

19/12/06:
I calculated that my phosphate reduces by .5mg/l over a 24 hour period. Not really happy with my nitarte measurements, so I didn`t bother measuring a 24 hour drop.

The tanks routine was disrupted over the Christmas period and I was too drunk to care.

28/12/06:
Most of my fast growers were bent over at the water`s surface, so I pruned them all back. A bucket load was given to a friend who bought his son a tank for Christmas. The Egeria Densa was definitely the sprint champion of the fast growing weeds, yet it is the most susceptible to hair algae.
CO2 was increased to 1BPS and my Amano Shrimp were monitored to ensure that this was not too much.

29/12/06:
pH 24 hour drop of almost 1 suggested I was in the ballpark for 30ppm.

Plans for the near future:
I am going to concentrate on my Ludwigia Arcuata (my favoutite plant with its orangey tinge)), Rotala Rotundifolia for a bita touch of red and Hygrophilia (I just like this weed). My Echinodorus tennellus struggled at first, but is now just starting to come good.
Definitely going to attempt at an accurate CO2 reading. Boyu drop checker arrived this morning.

Things I will do differently next time:
Next time I will lay off the fish for a while and just blitz the tank with CO2. I minced about with the stuff for too long at the beginning and having fish and shrimp present meant I tended to err on the side of caution when increasing the bubble rate. I am sure this was the cause of my algae.
Accept the messy jungle look and do not prune too heavily or try to rescape to soon.

Here is my jungle when first planted. I hope to post more pics after my first attempt at rescaping, and taken with a Nikon D40 mmmmmm.....it`s so unnecessary.

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Jungle tanks are always nice Dave. That's what it's supposed to look like until it's stable anyways. Fish are a lot more tolerant that you think. I had cherry barbs breed and raised their fry in an 8g that had 54ppm of CO2. I don't, however, have experience with shrimp.

IMO, stability takes longer than a month. Your system is still quite new. I'd wait 3 months before I'd do any drastic aquascaping. The jungle look won't kill you and I think you'll be rewarded with a better system. I'd also get your stocking squared away. EI relies on accurate gaging of added ferts for it to work well. It is recommended that you understock a tank that uses EI, otherwise it becomes more difficult to gage your some of your levels, especially Nitrogen, Potassium, and Phosphates. If you don't choose to understock, which I didn't when I had my EI tank about a year ago, then you may have to compensate by adjusting your dosing for the above nutrients. I didn't have to add as much and I ended up making mistakes when I added too much. It is also very hard when you don't have the right equipment, which I didn't. I was surprised my system worked as well as it did. It is a tricky balance, but well worth it to grow some lovely plants.

Good luck to you.

llj
 
Neat journal Dave.

The background looks a bit weird IMHO. Plain black would look better, and blend in with the filter. ATM it's a bit distracting.
 
Dave,

First off, congratulations on spending the time to read up on how to go about it, rather than just throw in some plants and then ask questions.
In fact as you've already got things like CO2, lighting, ferts and substrate covered show that your preparation has already been a huge benefit
and I'm sure you'll be rewarded more as this tank develops. :good:

I dont normally think that substrate heating cables are necessary, (some like them, some dont) but the one time I think they may be of use is when
using sand as a substrate, although to be honest I've got no evidence to support that ..... it's more of a gut feeling.
Sand can tend to compact down over time and become anerobic, so anything
that improves the conditions under the surface have got to be welcome. I suppose time will tell !

The only thing I think I'd think about changing at this stage is the JBL vario diffuser ........ they seem to work OK, but are far from the nicest looking object to
have in your tank. A nice glass ceramic one looks far better as long as you can get some water flow to move the Co2 around the tank.

Great start, hope you can keep the algae under control and looking forward to seeing how it develops !

Al
 
Neat journal Dave.

The background looks a bit weird IMHO. Plain black would look better, and blend in with the filter. ATM it's a bit distracting.

I totally agree with you George, but it seemd like a good idea at the time, but I only affixed it with a couple of small blobs of silica, just in case. I have just bought an AquaEl 250 with UV steriliser, but the background prevents me from getting the hoses in to the tank. I am hoping to remove it soon without causing too much disturbance to the tank inhabitants.

The only thing I think I'd think about changing at this stage is the JBL vario diffuser ........ they seem to work OK, but are far from the nicest looking object to
have in your tank. A nice glass ceramic one looks far better as long as you can get some water flow to move the Co2 around the tank.

Al

I unpacked my brand new glass diffuser from AquaEssentials yesterday and whilst fitting it.....TINK!...off came the stem. £12 and not one bubble of CO2 passed through it. I still haven`t recovered from the disappointment.
 
Really nice tank, Dave, you must be well pleased :)

Sam
 
Really nice tank, Dave, you must be well pleased :)

Sam

I am happy with the way it is going at the moment, but its untidy appearance is driving me mad. I won`t doing anything major plantwise until I have the algae beat. Most of all, I am pleased that I did so much reading beforehand.

The naff background is definitely going and, while I am at it I might as well take out the Juwel filter as well. My AquaEl filter has one basket containing Carbon, so I am going to get rid of that and, after it has been running alongside the Juwel for a while, I shall put the Juwel sponges in it.

As a correction to my journal, my Interpet T5 lamps only raise the water temperature by 1/2 degree C over the 10 hour photoperiod and not the three as I stated earlier.
 
Yeh its amazing how much info there is out there! Certainly sounds like you've got your head screwed on and seem to know where your heading, always good to have a plan.

BTW dont forget that plants help you beat algae, so dont put it off for to long :)

Sam
 
Well, it was my intention later this week to fit my AquaEl 250 filter along side the Juwel for a while, before eventually taking out the Juwel. Unfortunately, I can`t fit both the hoses for the AquaEl in to the tank with the Juwel filter in situ.

It looks like I will have to take the Juwel straight away. What I plan to do is to take the filter media out of the Juwel and put it in the Carbon tray of the AquaEl. Will this disturbance cause any major upsets in my tank? Obviously I will monitor Ammonia and nitrites closely.
 
Should be fine Dave.

Swap the media and get the new filter running ASAP to minimise bacterial loss. Your plant growth should deal with NH3/4, NO2 spikes but as you mention, monitor them anyway. Water changes are your friend too.
 
Should be fine Dave.

Swap the media and get the new filter running ASAP to minimise bacterial loss. Your plant growth should deal with NH3/4, NO2 spikes but as you mention, monitor them anyway. Water changes are your friend too.

Cheers for that George, I half expected things to be OK, but now I can change filters over with confidence. I reckon I must now have twice the biomass than there is my journal photograph.

I am going for major hardware changes this week. As mentioned, the Internal Juwel filter is coming out. The Juwel heater is being replaced by a Hydor inline and the JBL vario CO2 diffuser is being replaced by a glass type (hope I don`t break this one). I intend to experiment with the filter`s spray bar pattern and diffuser position for the best CO2 mist residence time. I may even position the diffuser under the filter intake to see how effective this can be. My guess is that the bubbles will dissolve before they reach the impeller.

The biggest change aesthetically will be the removal of the background. Hopefully, my new camera will arrive this week so that I can post some worthwhile pictures.
 
Sounds good Dave.

If minimal visible equipment is your goal then a in-line CO2 reactor is also an option, rather than positioning the glass diffuser under the intake.

Another option if you do take the CO2 mist route is to position the spray bar vertically, then sit the diffuser underneath for max CO2 mist distribution.
 
Sounds good Dave.

If minimal visible equipment is your goal then a in-line CO2 reactor is also an option, rather than positioning the glass diffuser under the intake.

Another option if you do take the CO2 mist route is to position the spray bar vertically, then sit the diffuser underneath for max CO2 mist distribution.

Minimal visible equipment is my goal, but I do like some of the glassware available. To my mind, it can actually enhance a tank`s look.

The AquaEl spraybar is a multipart affair and should give me a lot of options for spray patterns. Diffusing CO2 bubbles against a long vertical column of filter outflow sounds a like a good idea because I do like to see bubbles circulating around the tank. I was thinking that the filter inlet idea would optimise CO2 diffusion.

FKNM, I think you have the wrong person regarding a brackish tank, unless you were talking to George. If it was George, then I am going to hazard a guess that you have the wrong person there too, as I believe George would rather scoop his eyeballs out with a spoon than build a structured background forone of his tanks. Apologies if I have got you all wrong George.

The brackish tank thread is in the DIY section I believe. I was following it myself.
 
Well, it has been a day fraught with hazard, but things went well with my tank for the first time in a while.

It was my intention to remove as much hardware as possible. First on the agenda was to take out the Juwel internal filter, which was a major upheaval in a jungle like mine, and not recommended. The mature filter media was transferred over to the new AquaEl 250 canister, having removed the Zeowonder and Carbon from it first.

Next, off came the structured background. The extra room was filled with 25 Ludwigia Arcuata, 25 Rotala Rotundifolia and 5 Hydrocotyle Leucocephala. Some of my Egeria covered in threads of algae was discarded.

Unfortunately, my Hydor in line heater does not fit my filter hoses, so I have had to dangle the Juwel heater in the tank for now. Well, even on a good day something has to go wrong. The hoses also mean that the rear flap of the lid is raised 2mm, so some slight mods are required here.

The JBL vario diffuser is gone. It did a good job, but it was always to big and cumbersome looking. A Spio V ceramic disc diffuser is now in its place, adjacent to the vertical filter spray bar, pushing the bubbles around the tank. A little experimentation with adjusting the nozzle directions on the multi part spray bar should keep me occupied for the next day or two. An in line CO2 reactor would have meant even less hardware in the tank, but I think glassware actually enhances the look. Anybody else agree? I have even fitted my glass CO2 drop checker without any 4 dKH solution in it. The solution will be prepared in the lab at work next week.

All the mods have resulted in an extra 20l of water being added to the system, most of which probably went in to priming the AquaEl canister. It is worth bearing in mind that switching to an external filter can increase your water column a noticeable amount.

I feel my tank has taken a major step foreward today, I just can`t wait to start making an almighty cock up of my first attempt at aquascaping.
 

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