Confused With "instant Aquarium" Substrate Claims

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Hi all, I have just invested in my first aquarium and chose Carib Sea's Instant Aquarium live sand as I liked the look of it and it apparently decreases cycle times. I have filled the tank with water today and it looks goods, but I am sceptical that you can put fish in after 24 hrs. Does anyone have experience of the substrate? I have checked pH and GH and they are 8 & 13 respectively, and am currently planting with no thought of stocking fish for several weeks. Should I ignore the substrate claims and start the fish less cycle? All help welcome.
Thanks
 
Hi all, I have just invested in my first aquarium and chose Carib Sea's Instant Aquarium live sand as I liked the look of it and it apparently decreases cycle times. I have filled the tank with water today and it looks goods, but I am sceptical that you can put fish in after 24 hrs. Does anyone have experience of the substrate? I have checked pH and GH and they are 8 & 13 respectively, and am currently planting with no thought of stocking fish for several weeks. Should I ignore the substrate claims and start the fish less cycle? All help welcome.
Thanks

Don't do it. I fell into this trap. Thankfully, I was already planning on doing fishless cycling, still took me 8 weeks though. Also, the guy at the LFS tricked me into believing this was fertilized and good for plants, so I bought it as fertilizer substrate, and put white silica sand on top.... -_- :/ Needless to say, i found out it was just sand and now I have an ungodly amount of sand in my tank, and sometimes it will mix, making a gross salt and pepper mixture of sand :no:
 
+1 Ignore the claims, they will print nearly anything to get you to buy the product :good:.
 
For any bacteria to be effective at controlling ammonia/nitrite, it will need water flow and oxygen... neither are really available in sand.
 
The bacteria are on the sand which comes with liquid in the bag. As to how good they are is another story. I have about 100 pounds of The Carib Sea Torpedo beach sand. I got it as people who have been in the rivers in Venezuela say it most closely resembles the sand where Altum angels are found. It is a nice looking, larger sized, rounded grain sand. I did not want the bacteria parts but they come with it. I could not find this sand at as good price w/o the cycling stuff. I paid $14/20 lb delivered

I drained the liquid out of the bag, rinsed the sand and put into the tank and then let it dry out. When i filled the tank I ran the UV 24/7 for a while. I actually cycled the tank later using DrTims One and Only and Ammonium Chloride.

I do know that for the big American Cichlid Assn. weekend in 2011, Carib Sea donated a lot of the Torpedo Beach sand for use in the display tanks at the event. I was told folks loved it. The sand is sold without the cycling stuff as Super Naturals. Here is a link to Carib Sea site where you can see all the types with information about grain size.
http://www.caribsea..../super_nat.html

Torpedo Beach
Average Small Grain Size: 0.2 mm
Average Large Grain Size: 1.2 mm
Suitable for Planted Aquariums: Yes

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Thanks for your responses, I will continue with the fishless cycling to be on the safe side. As a point of interest, the tank has been filled and planted for two days now and there is no ammonia
 
Thanks for your responses, I will continue with the fishless cycling to be on the safe side. As a point of interest, the tank has been filled and planted for two days now and there is no ammonia

If you don't have any fish in there and you're not adding any ammonia yourself then there won't be any ammonia. To cycle the tank you have to add ammonia in some form.
 
Once again I find my self in the opposite camp of what is posted in the link above about why not to fishlless cycle planted tanks.

To date I have fishlessly cycled about 12 -15 planted tanks. Why am I doing it this way in light of what was posted in that link?

Why bother adding ammonia daily and running all those tests? I don't run the daily tests and very rarely have. I dose the ammonia for a while- a week or so and then I do a few tests. First, I dose the ammonia- and wait 1-2 hours and test for ammonia. If I get a reading over 0, testing is done for a few days when I repeat this process. Once I read 0 on the ammonia test I do a confirming test to insure there are 0 nitrites as well. If they are, cycling is done and a full (or close to full) fish load is added. Dosing the ammonia takes undert 30 seconds, doing the tests takes a few minutes- from start to finish of cycling I might spend a grand total of 10 minutes on testing. All what time?

Why bother building up a large bacteria colony, only for it to reduce once you stop adding ammonia? I am not building up a large bacteria colony. Whatever colony size I do build up will be what is needed to handle what ever portion of the bio-load that the plants don't handle. I am only building up a small colony in fact. I consider the process a mini-cycle as opposed to a full blown fishless cycle that takes many weeks. Planted tanks need a much smaller colony than non-planted.

Why bother running the risk of algae? I have never had any real problems with algae occurring during the mini-cycling period.

Why bother waiting all those frustrating weeks before you get any fish? What frustrating weeks? I have a tank ready to go in anywhere from intantly (with some seeding) or in a very few days. Two weeks is the maximum. Besides, I will never plant and stock without giving the plants a couple of weeks to establish before adding fish, some of which would dislodge plants which have not yet become well rooted or attached. The length of time it takes for any tank to be ready depends on how much seeding I do combined with how many plants I start with. Not all planted tanks are so loaded with plants that no bacteria are needed. In fact most of them are not, imo.

The one thing to note in all this is I do not, nor have I ever, used the dose and test method that requires one reach a given ppm of ammonia. It simply wont work when fishlessly cycling a planted tank. For years I used regular old ammonia with surfactants but nothing else added and then dosed using the original method of drops/10 gallons not the more recent dose to ppm method. Depending on the intended fish load I will dose 5-6 drops of ammonia per 10 gallons of water. Once the tank is cycled, if I can not get fish in immediately, I continue dosing ammonia to hold the cycle pending the arrival of the fish. maintenance dosing is done at 3-4 drops/10 gallons of water. I have held planted (and unplanted) tanks fully cycled without any fish or other critters in them for as many as 4 or 5 weeks. Recently I have switched from store ammonia to ammonium chloride from DrTim. It is formulated so that dosing one drop per gallon should yield 2 ppm of ammonia. This lets me have better accuracy and simplifies dosing but is not essential.

Before folks chime in about not using anything but pure ammonia and that the surfactants are bad, let me ease your concerns. I do two things that makes their use not an issue. First, during the cycling I will do regular large water changes. These are done prior to doing that day's ammonia, so they have no virtually effect on the ammonia levels or mini-cycling process. They do help with any potential buildup of surfactants. Secondly, as the process progresses and I near the end, I will add a big bag of carbon to the filter to help remove them. The final step in this process is not to dose ammonia on the fish arrival day and then to do a massive water change a few hours before the fish are added. This also allows for me to reset the tank temp if needed.

I have never had a problem with losing the fish after adding them and have actually gotten fry in planted tanks I was dosing to hold the mini-cycle. Apparently I moved over plants from other tanks which had eggs on them without realizing this. I have had zebra danios, pseudomugil gertrudae and choprae danios born in tanks being dosed. Of course once I discovered the fry, I stopped the dosing.

In the end any of us will come to use methods which work for us. If you want to set up your planted tank and do no cycling, go ahead, I will do it the way it works for me
 

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