Conditioning

[GP]

OK, I've heard the works, but I need a precise definition of what it is.


From what I've heard, it's feeding live or frozen foods and keeping the water clean for 2 weeks to promote "hornyness".

Is it possible for conditioning to not work? For example, I feed live foods, I change the water every 2 days, however they don't build nests?

 

[Synirr]

We are talking about bettas, right?
Some males just don't build nests... have you put the female where he can see her?

 

[wuvmybetta]

Conditioning doesn't exactly make them frisky. It's really to make sure they're in tip top condition for spawning. The entire process takes a lot out of both fish.

 

[JoKeR]

Conditioning doesn't exactly make them frisky. It's really to make sure they're in tip top condition for spawning. The entire process takes a lot out of both fish.

True!

A betta Especially the dad needs to be in very good condition.

Since the dad needs to watch the fry for almost 3 days and plus the days of spawning

Also u gotta make sure the female gets nice and heavy of eggs

 

[D Chia]

The adding of Ketapang (Indian Almond) Leaves or Black Water to the spawning tank does help to set the mood right.

If the male is healthy, in condition (i.e. still has his mojo) and likes the female, he should have no problem constructing a bubblenest.

I believe the feeding of live food gives them the necessary nutrients and it brings out the wilder instincts (e.g. hunting, mating, etc.) in them. However, do note that live food can be a possible source of infection.

When I need to feed my bettas live food, I choose brine shrimps (Sea Monkeys) because they come from a saline environment.

 

[JoKeR]

The adding of Ketapang (Indian Almond) Leaves or Black Water to the spawning tank does help to set the mood right.

If the male is healthy, in condition (i.e. still has his mojo) and likes the female, he should have no problem constructing a bubblenest.

I believe the feeding of live food gives them the necessary nutrients and it brings out the wilder instincts (e.g. hunting, mating, etc.) in them. However, do note that live food can be a possible source of infection.

When I need to feed my bettas live food, I choose brine shrimps (Sea Monkeys) because they come from a saline environment.

Sorry to get off-topic

But D chica doesnt BS cause the dad to be a egg eater?

 

[Tempestuousfury]

Sorry to add to this "off-of-topicness" but if the answer to the above post is yet, is this true in the case of gouramis? Now off to check out the post I saw a while back on this matter. Never read it...

Actually, I did read it and it seems as though you did not get a definitive answer.

 

[D Chia]

doesnt BS cause the dad to be a egg eater?

Does it? Must admit that this is the first time that I'm reading about this.

However, I know of young male bettas who eat the eggs because they are inexperienced. My hypothesis is that the eggs are eaten because they have not been fertilised by the sperm.

 

[D Chia]

However, I know of young male bettas who eat the eggs because they are inexperienced.  My hypothesis is that the eggs are eaten because they have not been fertilised by the sperm.

I would like to add that egg-eating males can become good fathers in subsequent spawns.

I've seen such males, while guarding their bubblenest, take eggs into their mouths to be cleaned and spit them back into the bubblenest. Some eggs do get eaten but I guess it is just eating the unfertilised ones.

Back to the topic of conditioning the pair. Ketapang (Indian Almond) Leaves or Black Water should set the mood right. The female betta should have vertical stripes that indicate that it is ready (click here to see example). Release the female betta only when the bubblenest has be constructed. There should also be hiding places for the female to take cover if the male gets too aggressive. After that, leave it to nature.

 

[bkk_group]

the cleaning of the eggs in the fathers mouth serves an important function as well, the saliva has antibacterial properties that protect the eggs during the crucial first few days.
using hu kwang (indian almond leaf) is highly recommended if you can find it.

 

[f250fisherman]

Joker, I don't know where you have read that, but every breeder I know feeds frozen BS and Frozen mysis for conditioning. I have never heard of BS making a male an egg eater except from you. I would like to read the article you read if you can find it. I'm interested in who said it and what their reasoning was on that topic.
p.s. I never meant this as a flame, just to learn where you heard it.

 

[JoKeR]

Yes f250

Let me see if I find any internet

I have heard from other betta breeders.....

Let me look in the internet..

 

[f250fisherman]

I been researching with several breeders, and that is being discussed about BS making egg eaters. Glad you brought it up joker. I'll keep digging, and maybe come up with something.

I found this. If anyone has access to the Flare magazine, through the IBC. It's the
Flare Second quarter 2003. Marriannes article on it.

 

[JoKeR]

Is the one about her making the experimant with mysis shrimp and Brine Shrimp?

Ive heard that mysis shrimp is the way to go

I think Im gonna make a new topic GP gets mad when people hi-jack there threads...