Columnaris Infection

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three of my four bettas over the last month have been infected with columnaris. i initially treated the tanks with diluted melafix, that appeared to fix two of the fish. i have isolated and am treating the worst effected fish in his own tank with Aquarium Science Multi Purpose Remedy. the remaining fish are in a divided tank, and when i stop treating with melafix my girl begins to become 'fluffy' again. should i also treat this tank with the multi purpose remedy? i dont know if i should since the lady at the shop said it may knock the fish around a bit. i dont have another tank spare at the moment to move the unaffected fish into.

should i just continue with the melafix? or use the multi purpose remedy? ive been treating the tank with melafix for 2 weeks now and dont know this is good for the fish. any suggestions? i want to kill it for good this time.
 
I'm sorry. Culumnaris is nasty stuff. I have battled it. It is tenacious. I am not accomplished at battling it with Betta, so I will leave others to help you. But wanted you to know your post is being read.

I'm sure that Salt additions will be recommended, anti-biotic food, and low temps.
 
Can you get a pic of it? Where is the fuzz? I ask this because I have found columnaris to be deadly if not treated. And it acts fast, sometimes killing the fish within hours.

A strict regimen of antibiotics is required. See this thread for some really good information about how to treat it. Random Wiktor posted it, it is near the bottom of the first page.
 
Can you get a pic of it? Where is the fuzz? I ask this because I have found columnaris to be deadly if not treated. And it acts fast, sometimes killing the fish within hours.

A strict regimen of antibiotics is required. See this thread for some really good information about how to treat it. Random Wiktor posted it, it is near the bottom of the first page.


Thanks

I read that post, thats what made me relise my first fish had it, and was probably the cause of the other fish getting sick as well. both tanks already have salt in them, but what concentration is best? preferably in g/L.

Ive tried getting pics of my fish before, but they just turn out as dark blurrs. ive had trouble with my female for about 4 months. but the columnaris has only been present the last 2 weeks. if only id known sooner, i wouldnt have used the same tank cleaning equipment on both tanks. the fuzz on my girl is on the tip of one of her fins and a little where one of her body wounds where. the really sick boy, ben has it on one side of his head. originally it was a grey scally mass between his eye and gill, then after he was moved and not treated with melafix it turned white and fuzzy and was right on top of his eye. after treating with melafix the fuzz went down but there is still a white growth close to his scales by his eye. i only started the multi purpose last night, he didnt look any better or worse this morning and he ate. that was like 4 hours ago. im hoping hell be a bit more lively when i get home.

i also used the same tank cleaning equipment on my community tank. ive been keeping a close eye on them but know one seems to have caught it. i cant put salt in that tank as a precaution due to my cory.
 
If it is on the fins and at a wound site, it is more than likely not columnaris; my bet would be a fungal infection, which is why it is treatable with melafix, but will not go away. I suggest buying an anti-fungal medication.
Melafix simply will not do for a true columnaris infection, so I would suggest the treatment protocol I suggested with your boy, or he could very rapidly deteriorate. As for the amount of salt? Most aquarium salt containers I've read suggest 1 rounded tablespoon per 5 gallons of water. People on this forum often use 1 teaspoon per gallon, and it does not seem to effect the fish negatively.

I would strongly suggest getting individal cleaning equip for your tanks. I used to have such trouble spreading fin rot and other nasties from tank to tank until I bought individual siphons and scrubbers for each tank. Heck, I even have a cup for each betta so they don't intermingle in any way at all. Keep a close eye on your other fish; columnaris springs up *very* rapidly.

Here is a little bit of my columnaris "diary." The fish in mention is still alive and well, over a year old. Please pay heed to the part about the bubbler; it is the one thing I left off of the other thread, and I firmly feel it played a pivotol role in the fish's recovery.
 
Yes I've wondered why no one has mentioned air pumps.

By the way, newbettaowner'05 has a sick Betta in his thread "Unanswered Questions...."

I recently treated a Cory with salt dips and Mela/Pimafix. It was effective. Are Betta ever treated with salt dips for fungal infections?
 
Thanks a lot everyone for your help.
Ive learnt my lesson, i will be buying atleast one more siphon and some more buckets and cups etc.
I already have some anti fungal med, i will try that on my girl once i find somewhere to treat her.

this is what i started treating my boy with http://www.theaquariumshop.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=133 is it the right type of medication? it has the active ingredents of methylene blue, acriflavine and malachite green. i havnt found anywhere in australia that sells maracyn.

the tank has a bubble driven filter, i had to remove the filter cartrage because it contained carbon (its a small all in one filter cartridge) but i left the bubbles running. i will add a air stone when i get home.

does 1g a gallon equal about 1g every 4L?

thankyou again
 
Maracyn contains antibacterials that are not allowed over the counter in many contries. The Corporation name is Virbac, there may be something that way.

What did RW recommend? We'll have to translate something to Aussie. USA, European and UK meds are different, etc.

Is the malachite green an anti-ich/anti parasite med?
 
Unfortunately the med you have is not antibacterial. All of the active ingredients are geared towards treating external parasites.

This is a good medication for columnaris. This site has some good information on columnaris.
 
Yes, tetracycline, if available, is a good treatment for strong bacterial infections. Is that what was decided? Was there a question of an antifungal? I'm afraid I got lost. You have two fish showing symptoms. One female definately shows fungal infections. One a boy is ??? uncertain?

Once you begin an antibacterial treatment it should be continued for the complete treatment. There is a chance of breeding antibacterial resistent desease.
 
i went out this morning and bought aquari-cycline tablets that contain tetracycline. i also bought a heater for my other tank, so i set it up as a hospital tank for Ben so i could decontaminate his tank. the tank is 21 degrees C and it now has a filter and air stones. its only been 4 hours but the white patch seems a little smaller and he seems more active. he greedly goobled up his evening pellets.

the tetracycline bottle does not give any instructions on how long to before water changes or when to retreat, any suggestions?

Last night instead of treating the barracks with malafix i used my antifungal med. My girl, Betty was again all fuzzy in the morning. i think there may be something not quite right with that med as it says to use two drops per 5L, while other brand meds ive had seem to be more concentrated. i will treat her with melafix until i can buy something else.
 
Are there NO instructions on the tetracycline bottle? Usually a full treatment cycle is completed before a waterchange as long as the water tests good. The treatment cycles are 5-7 days depending on the manufacturer. Sick fishes especially need clean water. I would remove the carbon if you put it in and use wool or some other innert mechanical media. Carbon will remove the medication with most brands but Maracyn/Virbac. Usually at the end of a treatment cycle, 30% water change is done, and the carbon is run a day or two before repeating the treatment. Again it differs with different brands.

The problem here is the uncycled tank :/ Do you have any decor that you can spare from a well and established tank? Oh well! the tetracycline would probably kill the good bacteria any way. Just do a good clean, I think, on the usual day or if the tank appears scummy. Try not to leave uneaten food in the tank.

Call the store where you bought the medication and ask for administration instructions.

carbon/no carbon
frequency and amount of dosages
length of treatment cycle

Did you say you have a medicinal dose of salt added?

I keep asking about salt dips and Betta, but no one is answering me. They are very effective on some fish with culimnarus and fungal infections.

You are getting a crash course in quarantine and the standbys needed. :S

Here is an excellent site to put with your favorites:

Well I can't leave that link. There is a Forum around the corner at the other end. So here is a copy of the article. After all, plagerism is better that friendly sharing. :X



Columnaris Information and Symptoms
By Rachel Hunt (Mushi)

Image © DanelleColumnaris is commonly mistaken for a fungal problem, it is NOT a fungus, it is caused by Flexibacter bacteria. Columnaris can be particularly difficult to diagnose as there are many symptoms associated with it.

Symptoms can include:

White, gray or clear stringy-looking "fungus" hanging off the betta's body or fins. Again, this is not actually fungus, but the Flexibacter bacteria.
White or gray patches that look like mold or a slime covering, usually on the body (and most commonly around the dorsal area).
White "pimples," generally around the chin and mouth area.
White or gray tufts of "fungus" (often looks like cotton candy) anywhere on the body, but especially around the mouth, gills, or edges of scales.
Lesions anywhere on the body, generally beginning in the dorsal area. Redness and swelling are not uncommon.
In the later stages of infection, the bacteria will begin to eat away at the fish's scales, often leaving behind a red or brown looking bloody area surrounded by fungusy-looking tufts of bacteria.
The Betta may also have clear, stringy feces and may be lacking appetite.

Columnaris is highly contagious. Any fish in a community setting showing signs of Columnaris should be removed to a hospital tank and treated seperately. A watchful eye should be kept on the fish remaining in the community for signs that they may be developing the disease.


Columnaris Treatment

Columnaris can be extremely difficult to treat, so it is recommended that medication be started as soon as the disease is properly diagnosed. As suggested above, remove the fish to a hospital/quarantine tank if it is normally kept with other fish. High temperatures will accelerate the course of the disease, so it is best to keep the affected fish at around 75-76 degrees F to slow the progression of the bacteria.

Columnaris is a gram-negative rod bacterium, and should be treated with an antibiotic that is effective against gram-negative bacteria or a broad-spectrum antibiotic. Kanacyn (Kanamycin sulfate), Spectrogram (Kanamycin sulfate and Nitrofurazone), Tetracycline, or Furan 2 (Nitrofurazone) are all good choices. I have also heard of people getting good results with medicated foods containing oxytetracycline, but if your fish is having problems with its mouth due to the infection, this may not be an option.


Columnaris Prevention

Columnaris is often a sign that your water conditions are not optimal for the fish. To keep water quality optimal and reduce the risk of your fish contracting Columnaris:

Avoid rapid, frequent temperature changes.
Do not overstock your tank. If you do overstock, be aware of what you're doing and keep up with the tank maintenance.
Do not overfeed. Rotting food adds to tank pollution, if the fish don't eat it, clean it up before it causes problems.
Feed the fish a variety of foods so that it does not have any nutritional deficiencies.
Always quarantine new fish for at least 2 weeks to reduce the chances of intruducing a disease to a healthy tank.
Water quality is the most important step in preventing Columnaris, tank maintenance is key.
 

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