Co2 Lessons Learnt...

smithrc

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Just a warning to all presurised CO2 users...

Since moving over to the bigger tank for the plants out CO2 level has been a bit low. around 25 rather than the 35 I was used to. I didnt do anything as we had an incident that involved having to move the tank - the external filter leaked. anyway - the canister ran out so I replaced it and upped the bubble rate a bit a little...

I meant to test the PH shortly after, before the lights went out and before I went to bed... but got distracted and clean forgot...

I came home from work yesterday evening to a tank full of, on first glance, dead fish...
some of our prized plecs 2x L134 1x L075 and a bristlenose. 5x Rummynoses, 4x Prestillas, 2x ladder loachs, 3x Khulis, 3 pygmy corys and 3 amano shrimp.
The bubble counter was going 10 to the dozen...

the tetras were floating belly up on the surface, the 134s wer belly up on the bottom, with sand on them, BUT they were still breathing...
the 075 however was compleatly un-responsive :(...

I did a 50% water change and turned the filter upwards and added an air stone... PH worries and temp differences were thrown to the wind....

The PH had risen to 5.8 after this and about 30 mins! - I dread to think what it was before but with a KH of about 6.75 the CO2 would have been sky high :X

I spent the time during the water change moving the 'survivours' and gathering up deads :(

I moved the 134s to the tank in the bedroom,
we lost 5x rummynoses, 1x ladder loach and a pristilla

as i went to put rambo (the 075 plec) in with the deads I turned him over (tear in eye as he was my favorite) i was just looking at him as i thought i saw its 'chest' move. it did it again about 2 secs later! he was still with us :D

He joined the rest of the tanks inhabitants in the bedroom tank, and with all the luck in the world, everyone else has pulled through! I couldn't leave them in the bebroom tank as there would have been killing overnight with the plecs fighting with the 5 already in the tank. I moved the plecs and the others i could catch, back to the planted tank last night and they are fine now...

I feel so bad... but it could have been one of those incidents that make you give up fish keeping... as it is i think the planted tank is on the way out... low light easy care plants from now on I think.


Key points to remember....

- ALWAYS allow the CO2 tanks temperature to stabilise before adjusting flow rate

- DONT adjust the output when you cant monitor the results :/

- Fish can deal with a lot more PH and temp shock than we give them credit for.

- Plecs have a really soft belly :*)


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OMG... i just worked out the co2 level with a ph of 5.5...

about 800ppm!

:-(
 
:-( shucks crikey that's horrific :-( :crazy: but could have been worse !
So glad most of them pulled through though :thumbs:
Hope they continue to recover and do well again !
As I'm still new to this pressurised CO2 thing too, I'm ultra cautious - or try to be.
 
Wow, dude, I'm sorry for your losses....

.. but then I think about how bad it could have been, and it sounds like you got out of it lucky!

It's a good reminder to ALL of us that we need to be patient and not rush things! (Not trying to condemn you, just emphasize your point about being able to monitor results - would hate for anyone to go through this also!)

Anyway... I'm glad you managed to recover most of your little lovelies!

- Plecs have a really soft belly

LOL - awwwwwwwwwww
 
I think that was the problem...
I was over confident.
I've been presurised for about 18 months at a guess - I know what i'm doing by now... hmmm :X

The canister was cold from having been in the car.. so as it warmed the presure would have increased and so the bubble rate........
 
Sorry to hear that smithrc, i guess you could say you were lucky that most of them did survive, because you were pumping in an amazing amount of co2, not that thats much consolation when you arrive home and all the fish are belly up, most of the accidents i read about are usually issues to do with faulty ph controllers, i didnt realise that the change in temprature in the cylinder could have such a dramatic effect when you turn it from cold, so thanks for that tip i will definatly bear this in mind and never repeat your unintentional mistake.
 
I think that was the problem...
I was over confident.
I've been presurised for about 18 months at a guess - I know what i'm doing by now... hmmm :X

The canister was cold from having been in the car.. so as it warmed the presure would have increased and so the bubble rate........

So even if you'd tested it you might not have caught the problem since it wouldn't have totally warmed up... wow.. something to remember if I ever go pressurized....
 
OucH! :-(

Ill have to keep this on in mind as well during those winter months...
I hadnt thought about that... but it does make sense... we use such a small amount of CO2 with the needle valve that even just alittle increase in pressure could indeed be fatal....
 
I'm so sorry about your catastrophe. I'm glad Mr. Softbelly came through. I just lost three rasboras to a temperature spike. When I left for school Tuesday, the tank was at 76, when I came home, it was 96.5! I was freaking out. So, though it is not the same, I feel your pain. Stupid me for not monitoring the temperature, but we're all human and mistakes happen. No use beating yourself up for it. 800 ppm, that's like Venus levels of CO2!
 
I'm really sorry to hear of your losses.

I have to admit when I changed over my CO2 cannister I did a similar thing but my CO2 was at about 70ppm for a week. It's very easy to...trying to think of the right word...assume that the bubble rate is ok.

Lesson learnt. Thanks for sharing :) I'll be testing my CO2 tonight!
 
Similar thing happened to me although it was with a yeast driven CO2 kit in a 90 gallon (UK) tank. I didn't think I'd be able to cause a problem with a yeast mix but I didn't realise that my KH had been gradually dropping over the months. I was simply adding the CO2 to the tank via an airstone which was keeping me at a nice 20ppm or so. I then bought a Hagen ladder diffuser and a couple of weeks after starting to use this I woke up one day to a tank full of dead fish. I lost over half of them. The increased efficiency of the ladder diffuser had caused an increase in disolved CO2 and the low KH of the water was overwhelmed causing a huge pH crash to approx pH of 3 or 4. The other fish were saved with the use of serious amounts of venturi bubbles fromthe filter and a 20% water change. I'm thinking of going pressurised and so have started using Bicarb to increase my KH to safe levels (4 degrees or so). I'll keep the cold cylinder thing in mind. Good bit of info that. Thanks.

WK
 
I didn't think I'd be able to cause a problem with a yeast mix but I didn't realise that my KH had been gradually dropping over the months....

I keep my eye on this as well!
My tap KH is 2 at best...
I kick my tank up to 3-4 KH when needed...which is usually every month or so...
Sooo, im always keeping an eye on my tank KH, specially when a water change occurs...

If you're running CO2, and KH crashes, the world will soon follow.. :crazy:

Walt
 

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