clown loach mating displays

The-Wolf

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I think I've just witnesed some mating behavour by my clowns.

they both had a silver sheen to them and were "walking" around is circles
on the bottom of the tank. then theydid what I can only describe as kissed, and spun on the spot. after several mins of this, one of them turned onto its back and the other mounted it. in a split second it was over, and they did the kissing thing again for another few mins.
They are now both normal coloured and doing what they normally do.

Have I really seen them mating?
 
Here is all the information that I have found on the internet to help you out.

Unknown. Have read some reports of sporadic breeding in the home aquarium but have seen no details on it. In the wild this fish probably migrates up river to special breeding grounds. - www.badmanstropicalfish.com

Having recently discovered this most excellent site, and having spent TOO long at work reading many interesting messages and info, I thought I'd contribute something myself. Someone here in the UK actually bred Clown Loaches!!!!!!! This actually happened back in 95/96, not sure exactly when, but the info comes from an article in the British Magazine "Practical Fishkeeping", Feb.'96. The Author is Granville Hammond of Devon Discus (Discus Breeder). He kept clowns with his Discus, but found the Clowns were stealing all the food and making the Discus nervous by "whiskering" them at night. He decided to get rid of most of the clowns to friends, keeping just 4 at 11-13" length (nice clowns!). One hot Summer day one friend returned home from work to find that the clowns in his charge had eaten all of his prized 4" Giant Danios!!!!!!!! They were behaving very strangely, prowling up and down as if distressed (probably ate too much!). He checked all water parameters, but found nothing odd, apart from a couple of degrees higher than normal temperature. After a "cool" water change all returned to normal. Two weeks later, Granvilles 4 fish suddenly refused food. The next day they started prowling around as his friend described. The water was OK, but he changed some anyway as the only common factor with his friends tank was that both were overdue for a water change. The fish calmed down. He decided to try and duplicate the situation to see if the behavior would change again. Initially, Temp. was 84F, PH 6.8, Ammonia & Nitrite nil,Nitrate 25 ppm or lower. After a week of heavy feeding the Temp was 82F, pH 6.5, and other stuff the same. On day 12 they refused food and the weird behavior returned. Temp was 86F,pH 6.3, others the same, except nitrate up to 50ppm. Remembering the out of character murder of the Giant Danios, he decided to see if the fish might be interested in some White-bait he had in the Freezer. What happened next was incredible. The fish went crazy. He says "Frenzied Feeding" would be an understatement! They refused all food except the fish, which they ate until bloated, resuming their "hunting" a few hours later. 4 weeks later after this intensive feeding, the female loaches were over 2" taller than the males. All fish had doubled in girth (hardly surprising really), and had intensified coloring. Nitrates had gone of the scale, so he added a canister filter with nitrate removing resin. pH was now 6.1. Due to evaporation the water level had dropped 3". At this point he reconnected the tank back into his centralized filtration system, feeding the tank via a "shower head" return. Within 48 hours the fish behavior was back to normal. After feeding, two fish would rise to the surface,entwined together, and " clicking" to one another (I'm sure most clown owners will have heard these noises). They were a male & female but no eggs were produced. BUT THE NEXT MORNING!!!!!! Small, slightly golden eggs were on the tank sides and base and on some plastic pipe hidey-holes for the fish. Temp was 82F, pH 6.7, nil Ammonia & Nitrite, Nitrate less than 25ppm in the tank where he placed the pipework with eggs. The fish, which appeared exhausted (obviously, a busy night!) suddenly perked up and Breakfasted on the remaining eggs! Upwards of 450 fry hatched and were fed on a proprietary liquid food for 2 weeks, with a supplement of crushed flake after 10 days. Crushed flake was then fed alone and the fish grew rapidly till they could take whole flake. At 6 weeks, they were 1" long total length, then growth slowed. An interesting aside is that when they were distributed around the country it was reported that they were resistant to Whitespot and survived in tanks where other fish succumbed . If we speculate that conditions change in the wild seasonally, maybe the effects of drought, temp. rise, less than perfect water conditions, reduced level, followed by rains were duplicated as near as is possible and this stimulated the fish into their normal cycle for breeding. Obviously, these were older, big fish. Clowns are long-lived and no doubt may not reach sexual maturity until they are several years old. Their tastes may change as they mature (lots of fish change diet as they grow). It's only through information exchange that this knowledge will spread around the globe. Only recently I've read on this very forum that some really big clowns were fed feeder goldfish, so maybe we had all better look at our cute little stripey friends again in a different light. Maybe their tank mates should worry about becoming a meal in the future as the clowns grow up! I guess the potential for murder is there. Only last week I was in a local dealers who had a tank of 50 plus 1 1/2" baby clowns. One of the assistants was feeding them by hand with frozen fish meat. I guess we've all seen stupid movies with Pirahna attacks. You know , the water foams and boils. Well I've seen it in a tank of clowns. Now I feed mine some fish-meat as I figure if they like it that much, it might just stop them from looking in a suspicious way at my Tetras! - http://www.loaches.com/



Good Luck with finding the possable golden eggs of fishies! :kana: :clap:
 
The-Wolf said:
I think I've just witnesed some mating behavour by my clowns.

they both had a silver sheen to them and were "walking" around is circles
on the bottom of the tank. then theydid what I can only describe as kissed, and spun on the spot. after several mins of this, one of them turned onto its back and the other mounted it. in a split second it was over, and they did the kissing thing again for another few mins.
They are now both normal coloured and doing what they normally do.

Have I really seen them mating?
How large/old are they? I've read that only larger individuals (10" and up I believe) will breed n captivity, and that usually only happens with hormones injected to the fish :/
 
thanks danno
I just think they were having fun now, but you never know.

Dwarfs
they are only 5.5" so maybe to immature to breed

In any case it was a very nice sight to behold.
 
Mine do exactly the same ;)

Mine are only 1", they go round in circles and kind of butt each other!

I think it might be LOVE!!! :wub:
 
Mine just battle over who gets to sit on top of my internal filter. Usually the winner gets tired, goes to sleep, and then ends up rolling in front of the filters output and getting a surprise :D .
 
KentBlokey said:
I thought this was a NO NO in captivity?

Bleedin' good if they have though eh!
It's not totally "Impossible" I believe it has happened but with only fully mature clown loaches, and it happens a little more often when they are kept in a heated pond.
 
most of our clown loaches are tank bred in florida, I don't know if you guys in the states or even europe had a big al's francaise, but our clown loaches are tank bred, we just got a shipment of baby clown loaches about half and inch and they are so cute.....I can't believe that they get fed feeder gold fish when they get bigger....I think my africans should watch out for them...lol...
 
G_Sharky said:
most of our clown loaches are tank bred in florida, I don't know if you guys in the states or even europe had a big al's francaise, but our clown loaches are tank bred, we just got a shipment of baby clown loaches about half and inch and they are so cute.....I can't believe that they get fed feeder gold fish when they get bigger....I think my africans should watch out for them...lol...
hmmm, they shouldn't be eating feeder goldfish in the first place, but that's another story.
 

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