Breading B/n

[tom130691]

advised tank size?
can i use my 15gal community tank in sig if i added more filtration?
how easy are they to bread? (small cave + male + female?)
how easy are they to sell? (will contact local shops before i try breeding ad i dont want a tank full that i cant get rid of)
how easy are they to catch as my tank has a lot of obstacles
and what will they eat as fry?

 

[VaegaVic]

advised tank size? 15UKgal and above
can i use my 15gal community tank in sig if i added more filtration? Ideally more filtration, but 2 bristlenoses should live in that size tank quite happily.
how easy are they to bread? (small cave + male + female?) Pretty much, a nice diet helps as well, raw veg and bloodworms.
how easy are they to sell? (will contact local shops before i try breeding ad i dont want a tank full that i cant get rid of) Really does depend on the LFS, alot won't take them in as of how common they can be, best thing to do is to call around before you decide on anything.
how easy are they to catch as my tank has a lot of obstacles Little sods.
and what will they eat as fry? Anything they can land on, veg is a favourite, as are algae wafers.

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Hope that helps,
I used to breed BN's until my male killed his mate.
I've got a new featherfinned BN arriving in a few days so I hope to be back up to breeding again.

 

[kizno1]

15G will be fine for 2. I wouldnt add much more filtration if you still have the betta in the pic. Mine have had 3 spawns in under 3 months all i do is feed them well and do water changes and they do the rest. The fry will eat exactly the same as the parents ive raised mine on cucumber, courgette, peas, green pepper, algea waters, spinach and lettuce. Some lfs buy them some dont. Im getting £1.80 just for standard browns of my lfs and should have some albinos to sell to them soon aswell.

 

[tom130691]

thanks guys i currently feed on catish pellets, algea wafers,veg and occasionally a bloodworm gets to the bottom

have emailed two stores and will visit some more next week

 

[JenCliBee]

thanks guys i currently feed on catish pellets, algea wafers,veg and occasionally a bloodworm gets to the bottom

have emailed two stores and will visit some more next week

Even though 60l is bare minimum for a pair, where would the fry go to grow on?, shops usually wont take them off your hands unless there 1 inch+, that size tank isnt big enough to grow them on to that size. It's barley big enough really to house two full grown BN's.

 

[tom130691]

thanks guys i currently feed on catish pellets, algea wafers,veg and occasionally a bloodworm gets to the bottom

have emailed two stores and will visit some more next week

Even though 60l is bare minimum for a pair, where would the fry go to grow on?, shops usually wont take them off your hands unless there 1 inch+, that size tank isnt big enough to grow them on to that size. It's barley big enough really to house two full grown BN's.

i have asked the shops what size they would want them
they would probably stay in that tank i do have a 5gal tank with just a betta so 1-2 could go in there for a little while

 

[tom130691]

thanks guys i currently feed on catish pellets, algea wafers,veg and occasionally a bloodworm gets to the bottom

have emailed two stores and will visit some more next week

Even though 60l is bare minimum for a pair, where would the fry go to grow on?, shops usually wont take them off your hands unless there 1 inch+, that size tank isnt big enough to grow them on to that size. It's barley big enough really to house two full grown BN's.

i have asked the shops what size they would want them
they would probably stay in that tank i do have a 5gal tank with just a betta so 1-2 could go in there for a little while

 

[JenCliBee]

thanks guys i currently feed on catish pellets, algea wafers,veg and occasionally a bloodworm gets to the bottom

have emailed two stores and will visit some more next week

Even though 60l is bare minimum for a pair, where would the fry go to grow on?, shops usually wont take them off your hands unless there 1 inch+, that size tank isn't big enough to grow them on to that size. It's barley big enough really to house two full grown BN's.

i have asked the shops what size they would want them
they would probably stay in that tank i do have a 5gal tank with just a betta so 1-2 could go in there for a little while

You do relise these fish can have well over 100 fry?, 100 1 inch fry arnt going to be able to be kept in the 15gal tank, you going to be pushing having them in there after a week or so after leaving the cave. The amount of waste these fish produce is unbelievable and even as fry and then you have adult waste ontop. The 5 litre tank isnt going to be big enough either.

 

[kizno1]

I raise my fry in a 15G but they are on there own and im making a 10G sump for extra water volume and filtration.

 

[JenCliBee]

I raise my fry in a 15G but they are on there own and im making a 10G sump for extra water volume and filtration.

That's the difference, you have them on there own and you are also getting rid easily enough by the sounds of it when there old enough. The other point is water conditions, the tank will be fair better for having the planned sump.

The OP also has to realise that these fish will and can breed every 4-6 weeks, what happens if the shops cant take anymore when he has other batches ready?, where are they going to go until he can get rid?.

There is far more things to think about than saying yes a couple will be happy in a 15g tank. The tank by his Sig also contains fish that will eat the fry on leaving the cave, will these fish be left in the tank?.


I wouldn't advise breeding any fish unless you have a sure way of ridding the babies when old enough and i certainly wouldn't advise breeding fish like common BN plecs when there is no other tank to grow fry on.

 

[kizno1]

I though he was meaning just having the bns and fry. i didnt see the stocking in his sig. I agree you could do with another tank to raise the fry. My bns are spawning every 3 weeks in the last 3 months ive had about 300 fry. My lfs are buying the first lot of me on friday that are 1" for £1.80 most lfs take them at 1" but your lucky to get between 50p-£1 from what other peole have told me.

 

[tom130691]

I raise my fry in a 15G but they are on there own and im making a 10G sump for extra water volume and filtration.

That's the difference, you have them on there own and you are also getting rid easily enough by the sounds of it when there old enough. The other point is water conditions, the tank will be fair better for having the planned sump.

The OP also has to realise that these fish will and can breed every 4-6 weeks, what happens if the shops cant take anymore when he has other batches ready?, where are they going to go until he can get rid?.

There is far more things to think about than saying yes a couple will be happy in a 15g tank. The tank by his Sig also contains fish that will eat the fry on leaving the cave, will these fish be left in the tank?.


I wouldn't advise breeding any fish unless you have a sure way of ridding the babies when old enough and i certainly wouldn't advise breeding fish like common BN plecs when there is no other tank to grow fry on.

this is why i created the thread! i havent started yet i have 1 pleco that it around 6-7months old now so i dont even know if it is even old enough to breed yet

 

[JenCliBee]

I raise my fry in a 15G but they are on there own and im making a 10G sump for extra water volume and filtration.

That's the difference, you have them on there own and you are also getting rid easily enough by the sounds of it when there old enough. The other point is water conditions, the tank will be fair better for having the planned sump.

The OP also has to realise that these fish will and can breed every 4-6 weeks, what happens if the shops cant take anymore when he has other batches ready?, where are they going to go until he can get rid?.

There is far more things to think about than saying yes a couple will be happy in a 15g tank. The tank by his Sig also contains fish that will eat the fry on leaving the cave, will these fish be left in the tank?.


I wouldn't advise breeding any fish unless you have a sure way of ridding the babies when old enough and i certainly wouldn't advise breeding fish like common BN plecs when there is no other tank to grow fry on.

this is why i created the thread! i havent started yet i have 1 pleco that it around 6-7months old now so i dont even know if it is even old enough to breed yet

Mate im far from trying to put a downer on your proposed plans and yes you did make the thread for the purpose of asking and ive only given you advise regarding your questions.

The reasons ive given come from vast experience of breeding various BN species and commons are prolific breeders. The main reason why i stopped breeding common BN's was becasue the supply far out weighed the demand and i had fry which i couldn't get rid of which also ment i had to have tanks sitting around with fish in that i didn't really want in there. I had various tanks and still i was over run.

The is the way of removing spawns from the tank if you get over run, however this tends to encourage breeding again. You will have to do alot of water changes on the tanks holding the fry, basically after costs of rearing and water conditioners also electric to run the tanks needed the profit margin is far from anything spectacular. TBH the profit will probably not even compensate the actual running cost of everything anyways, if it does it's very marginal at best. Kizno's price is extremely high for selling BN's to LFS, the prices usually are either less than £1 a fish, more than likely less than 50p and most of the time it's store credit than actual money.

The whole point of your thread from what i could make out was pro's and cons of breeding BN's, apart from the occasional profit you make and the cuteness of the fry there really isn't any other Pro's to breeding such run of the mill, easy to get hold of fish.

 

[kizno1]

Kizno's price is extremely high for selling BN's to LFS, the prices usually are either less than £1 a fish, more than likely less than 50p and most of the time it's store credit than actual money.

Its because ive given them and brought so much stuff over the years and got to know the guy so they are buying them off me for the same price as they buy thm from the suppliers. I do agree with fishy jake i would try and find a buyer before trying breeding them.

 

[JenCliBee]

Kizno's price is extremely high for selling BN's to LFS, the prices usually are either less than £1 a fish, more than likely less than 50p and most of the time it's store credit than actual money.

Its because ive given them and brought so much stuff over the years and got to know the guy so they are buying them off me for the same price as they buy thm from the suppliers. I do agree with fishy jake i would try and find a buyer before trying breeding them.

It's nice when things actually happen like that , makes all the rearing and time well worth it in the end .


The price is superb, wish i had gotten prices like that when i was breeding them lol.