Betta And Goldfish

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I read on a website that the ideal temps for Bettas is 80 F adn that goldfish can be kept in temps 36-83 F as long as water is kept airated. are these facts true? if so does this mean i would be able to keep them together at 80 F with air stones and good filtration so to keep the Both happy. My only other option is to put the Betta in my 8L bowl seperate to the goldies but would like them to be together!
any help would be appreciated!!
 
They need totally different set ups.
Goldfish, cool with heavy filtration and goldfish food.
Betta, warm with little filtration, tropical food.

The goldie will probably bite the fins of the betta and it really wont like the warm water for long.
 
8L for my future betta then dont want him getting bullied!! will an 8 Litre bowl be big enough think its bout 2.5G
 
1 gal absolute minimum size for a betta
 
8 litres is about 2.1 US gallons, so that should be fine for the betta, BUT you need to watch temperatures, if it's too small to fit a heater, then i'd think about getting something else. bettas are tropical fish.

goldfish and bettas are NOT compatiable in any way, shape or form!
 
might just leave the betta then dont want one to suffer. its a shame they are beautiful fish. might have another large tank avaliable to me so can make that tropical and have my dream fish!!!
thanks for my help
 
might just leave the betta then dont want one to suffer. its a shame they are beautiful fish. might have another large tank avaliable to me so can make that tropical and have my dream fish!!!
thanks for my help


Basically, male betta's are solitary fish and do best on their own. A lot of people see them and think "ah, you look so lonely!" so they put some fish with the betta, but in reality this will just severly stress the betta out. Betta's are territorial fish and become stressed when other fish are made to occupy their space (a lot of fish also have no concept of territory, and so often swim into the betta's personal space unknowingly and either get terrorised by the betta or vice versa). Male betta's are basically happiest on their own.
Female betta's can be kept together in all-female groups (although never mix male and female), but it is not nesarsary to keep them in such groups.
Betta's are agressive, territorial and slow moving fish. In community tanks, they either attack other fish (particularly bright, small colourful ones like guppys), or get attacked themselves (they are often too slow to out-swim other fish when they are picked on) and find difficulty in competing for food with other fish since they are slow and not very competetive eaters.

With goldfish, there are many types of goldfish, and each type has its own ideal habitat preferances. Comet and common goldfish enjoy temps near freezing and love nothing more than a nice cool pond to live in, while other types of goldfish like bubble eye or ryukin goldfish prefer more sub tropical temps and like a cool, but not cold, large tank set up to live in.
Most slim goldfish will easily live in freezing water conditions, while most fancy goldfish will die in them- its mostly due to the fact that the majority of fancy goldfish we know and love today were bred in tanks indoors, and so prefer a warmer set up, while most of the larger growing slim goldfish were bred outdoors and so prefer to live outdoors too.
Also needless to say, fancy goldfish need at least a 20gal to live in, while slim goldfish like comets, shubunkins and common goldfish do better in tanks 75gals+, or ideally a suitable large pond.

On a side note, if you put a goldfish with a betta the goldfish would also probably eat it or kill it sooner or later as goldfish will eat pretty much any fish or critter that fits into their mouths, and fancy goldfish usually grow to about 8inches big while slim ones grow to a foot long or more, so.......
 
Ive got a Betta and a fancy goldfish togeather in a 20G tank, so far so good. Once years ago, I had a betta in with a RTS, I came home one day and the betta was just shreaded, it was sad, Im sure we've all seen fish missing a fin or 2, this betta had NO fins left, I thought for a minute my wife had put a different fish in there as he was nearly unrecognisable. Needless to say, the fancy has thus far prooved to be a much better tankmate for my betta than the RTS who is now living in the 125G tank with a bunch of cichlids where he's still a bully sometimes, but a cichlid can take it where a betta could not.
 
BAD IDEA!! I thought i could put a goldfish in with bettas... wrong combo... the goldfish i had did fine in the warmer water that was not the problem he Killed my betta! it was horrible... and then he killed my sucker fish so he is in his own tank now ...
 
BAD IDEA!! I thought i could put a goldfish in with bettas... wrong combo... the goldfish i had did fine in the warmer water that was not the problem he Killed my betta! it was horrible... and then he killed my sucker fish so he is in his own tank now ...

Wow thats crazy, I didnt know goldfish would exhibit that kind of agression? What kind of gold was it?
 
Ive got a Betta and a fancy goldfish togeather in a 20G tank, so far so good. Once years ago, I had a betta in with a RTS, I came home one day and the betta was just shreaded, it was sad, Im sure we've all seen fish missing a fin or 2, this betta had NO fins left, I thought for a minute my wife had put a different fish in there as he was nearly unrecognisable. Needless to say, the fancy has thus far prooved to be a much better tankmate for my betta than the RTS who is now living in the 125G tank with a bunch of cichlids where he's still a bully sometimes, but a cichlid can take it where a betta could not.

Thats not good at all- it is not the goldfishes fault. Its your fault that happened. This is why you must properly research your fish before you buy them (and not just stick any old fish in any type of tank), in that single post you mentioned a whole variety of fish which should never be kept together, ever. And now you have it in a cichlid tank (which is an incredibly unsuitable environment for a goldfish), where it will be constantly picked on.
Bettas, goldfish and RTS should never be "tankmates", its just not going to happen with any one of them ever, the goldfish does not deserve to be living its life constantly alone on its own in an agressive, tropical cichlid tank. It did nothing wrong, yet you've punished it for your own irresponsibility.
 
Ive got a Betta and a fancy goldfish togeather in a 20G tank, so far so good. Once years ago, I had a betta in with a RTS, I came home one day and the betta was just shreaded, it was sad, Im sure we've all seen fish missing a fin or 2, this betta had NO fins left, I thought for a minute my wife had put a different fish in there as he was nearly unrecognisable. Needless to say, the fancy has thus far prooved to be a much better tankmate for my betta than the RTS who is now living in the 125G tank with a bunch of cichlids where he's still a bully sometimes, but a cichlid can take it where a betta could not.

Thats not good at all- it is not the goldfishes fault. Its your fault that happened. This is why you must properly research your fish before you buy them (and not just stick any old fish in any type of tank), in that single post you mentioned a whole variety of fish which should never be kept together, ever. And now you have it in a cichlid tank (which is an incredibly unsuitable environment for a goldfish), where it will be constantly picked on.
Bettas, goldfish and RTS should never be "tankmates", its just not going to happen with any one of them ever, the goldfish does not deserve to be living its life constantly alone on its own in an agressive, tropical cichlid tank. It did nothing wrong, yet you've punished it for your own irresponsibility.

Are you whacked out of your skull?? Where did I say I had a GF in a cichlid tank?? I said years ago as in 3.5 years ago if you need an exact number, I had a betta and an RTS in a community tank togeather with a few other tank mates. The RTS unfortunatly killed the betta. The RTS is now in the 125 Gallon cichlid tank where he has been doing wonderfully for the last 3 years. Nowhere in my post did I say I had a GF in a cichlid tank, nowhere in my post did I say I EVER had a GF and a RTS togeather. What I said in addition to what Ive already restated for you is that I have a fancy GF and a betta in a 20G tank togeather and that the GF was making a better tankmate for the betta than the RTS did. The tank is kept at 76 degrees which is an accaptable temp for both fish, in addition the tank has massive filteration and aeration and gets regular water changes as well as both fish getting what they need as far as a healthy diet. I know what Im doing and I cannot possibly fathom how you could have come up with what you did unless English is a 2nd language for you or something. Good lord the only irrisponsibility here is your comprehention of the English language.
 
She probably just mis-read, and honestly given your apparent history of keeping unsuitable fish together, it wouldn't be shocking if you had placed a goldfish with cichlids. I find the "I know what I'm doing" a bit contradictory to what has been said so far, seeing as you didn't know what you were doing with the first betta, and also seem unaware of what is proper to do with the current betta and goldfish.
Keeping bettas in a highly filtered, highly aerated tank on the cooler side of their comfort zone with another larger fish that will eventually grow large enough to harm or kill it is irresponsible, and goes strongly against the ideal tank environment of the betta. Not to mention the fact that goldfish prefer their own species for tank mates as they are a highly social species normally found living in large groups, who have shown strong bonds in a laboratory setting.
It would be ideal for both fish if the betta were relocated into an adequately sized tank with no aeration and very mild filtration, plus a heater to get the temp up around 80-82, with plenty of plants for hiding and perching. And it would be better still if the goldfish were given a companion of its own species in a slightly larger tank.
I'll never understand the mentality of "if nothing has gone wrong yet, nothing will, even though 99.9% of the fishkeeping community says it is a bad idea." This is how fish end up wounded, killed, or living an indequate and unpleasant life.
 
Ive got a Betta and a fancy goldfish togeather in a 20G tank, so far so good. Once years ago, I had a betta in with a RTS, I came home one day and the betta was just shreaded, it was sad, Im sure we've all seen fish missing a fin or 2, this betta had NO fins left, I thought for a minute my wife had put a different fish in there as he was nearly unrecognisable. Needless to say, the fancy has thus far prooved to be a much better tankmate for my betta than the RTS who is now living in the 125G tank with a bunch of cichlids where he's still a bully sometimes, but a cichlid can take it where a betta could not.

Thats not good at all- it is not the goldfishes fault. Its your fault that happened. This is why you must properly research your fish before you buy them (and not just stick any old fish in any type of tank), in that single post you mentioned a whole variety of fish which should never be kept together, ever. And now you have it in a cichlid tank (which is an incredibly unsuitable environment for a goldfish), where it will be constantly picked on.
Bettas, goldfish and RTS should never be "tankmates", its just not going to happen with any one of them ever, the goldfish does not deserve to be living its life constantly alone on its own in an agressive, tropical cichlid tank. It did nothing wrong, yet you've punished it for your own irresponsibility.

Are you whacked out of your skull?? Where did I say I had a GF in a cichlid tank?? I said years ago as in 3.5 years ago if you need an exact number, I had a betta and an RTS in a community tank togeather with a few other tank mates. The RTS unfortunatly killed the betta. The RTS is now in the 125 Gallon cichlid tank where he has been doing wonderfully for the last 3 years. Nowhere in my post did I say I had a GF in a cichlid tank, nowhere in my post did I say I EVER had a GF and a RTS togeather. What I said in addition to what Ive already restated for you is that I have a fancy GF and a betta in a 20G tank togeather and that the GF was making a better tankmate for the betta than the RTS did. The tank is kept at 76 degrees which is an accaptable temp for both fish, in addition the tank has massive filteration and aeration and gets regular water changes as well as both fish getting what they need as far as a healthy diet. I know what Im doing and I cannot possibly fathom how you could have come up with what you did unless English is a 2nd language for you or something. Good lord the only irrisponsibility here is your comprehention of the English language.



I mis-read your post, but either way, you don't know what you are doing as otherwise you wouldn't have made those mistakes to begin with. Your mistakes were irresponsable, and you are stille continueing them by keeping too unsuitable fish together, you can choose to accept that or not, but thats what they are- just a little bit of decent research and you would have not put the RTS with the betta, or the betta with the goldfish for that matter.
Right now you have two different fish with totally different needs- betta's like low current and humid/warm tropical temperature habitat with lots of cover, goldfish like cold, highly oxygenated and strong current tanks with lots of open spaces. By keeping them together, one or both fish will always be suffering because you don't want to invest in a decent tank for either fish. I wouldn't expect either fish to live out their maximum life expectancys right now in that habitat. I'll put it this way- never will you will goldfish under "tropical", nor will you find betta's under the title of "coldwater". Coldwater and tropical is there for good reasons.
You can get angry at me, but that doesn't change the reality of your situation -_- .
 
I mis-read your post, but either way, you don't know what you are doing as otherwise you wouldn't have made those mistakes to begin with. Your mistakes were irresponsable, and you are stille continueing them by keeping too unsuitable fish together, you can choose to accept that or not, but thats what they are- just a little bit of decent research and you would have not put the RTS with the betta, or the betta with the goldfish for that matter.
Right now you have two different fish with totally different needs- betta's like low current and humid/warm tropical temperature habitat with lots of cover, goldfish like cold, highly oxygenated and strong current tanks with lots of open spaces. By keeping them together, one or both fish will always be suffering because you don't want to invest in a decent tank for either fish. I wouldn't expect either fish to live out their maximum life expectancys right now in that habitat. I'll put it this way- never will you will goldfish under "tropical", nor will you find betta's under the title of "coldwater". Coldwater and tropical is there for good reasons.
You can get angry at me, but that doesn't change the reality of your situation -_- .
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Well said Tokis :good:
 

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