bearded betta

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Guppler apears intent on breeding mutated fish,

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[Synirr]

Great. Hybrids, cancer-ridden bettas, and guppies with lordosis.

 

[SRC]

This thread makes me sad.

 

[splashluff]

If you would not breed a dog with 3 eyes you are a "looney"

the only reason to breed ANY two dogs is to better their breed standard. That is the only reason any reputable breeder would produce puppies. A dog having 3 eyes deviates completely from the breed standard (duh.) and so do dogs with other deformities. Anyone who knows sh!t about dogs or cares even a tiny bit about the tragic overpopulation of dogs in this country would not breed a dog with 3 eyes... I guess you didn't know that, though.

I totally agree with SRC and Synirr! It's obviously a growth of some sort, if not a tumor.

 

[iron maiden fan]

actually I know alot about dogs and the over abundence of them but a dog with three eyes would be an amazing scientific discovery while this is pretty different to that.Originally I was under the impression that this was some type of extra fin or some type of longer part on the fishes face but if everyone has such a strong opinion that it's a tumour then then sorry for putting in my opinion which was done before much of a description was given.

 

[SRC]

An amazing scietific discovery? pfft...right.

In all probability it would simply be a morph of siamese twin pups. They have cows with 6 legs, and pigs with 2 heads, and other various animals (and humans) that have more body parts then they should.

It doesn't make them a medical marval..it makes them a circus sideshow act...for peopel to stare at..and the OWNERS to make money off of.



Sad...I tell you sad...the way some people think these days.

 

[iron maiden fan]

In all probability it would simply be a morph of siamese twin pups

what if this was the next step in the evaloutionary chain making the dog a more efficient hunter

It doesn't make them a medical marval..it makes them a circus sideshow act...for peopel to stare at..and the OWNERS to make money off of.



Sad...I tell you sad...the way some people think these days.

are you acusing me of saying I wanted to make money from something like that if so whats your problem

 

[JoLtNbolt]

If you breed two manx cats together one out of every four of the resulting kittens will be stillborn or spontaneously aborted. The manx trait is actually a lethal dominant; one copy of the gene and the cat is manx, two copies and it's dead.

Isn't this similar to the melano trait / gene in bettas? Aren't females that are homozygous for the melano trait, stillborn or sterile?

 

[lljdma06]

Great. Hybrids, cancer-ridden bettas, and guppies with lordosis.

Oh man, there goes my secret government plan to hybridize humans with bettas! You guys don't let me have any fun Now, I can only send subliminal breeding messages, at least you haven't taken that priviledge from me yet (breed bettas, more bettas for me). See just missed it didn't you. I do excellent work.

Wait a minute, what's the topic of this thread again? Oh yes, bettas with beards. Does this remind anyone of Southpark where Cartman put that thing on Butters' chin to get into a talk show? Maybe Guppler can take him to Maury Povic (sp). These are the days when I wish Geraldo was still around.

 

[SRC]

what if this was the next step in the evaloutionary chain making the dog a more efficient hunter

Do dogs really need to hunt better by vision? I somehow doubt they need this ability, and I somehow doubt that would give them that ability..seeing as how most, but not all, dogs hunt by their nose not their eyes.

are you acusing me of saying I wanted to make money from something like that if so whats your problem
No. That was a general statement regarding peopel who breed animals with genetic defaults.

Don't be so defense. Read into the context and follow the subject at hand. We weren't talking about you.

 

[Dart]

Well techincally dogs have a third eye , because the pineal gland in the brain is sensitive to light, and is referred to as teh primitive eye....

 

[Synirr]

An amazing scietific discovery? pfft...right.

Yeeeah. Things like that happen all the time, it's nothing terribly amazing. Most mutations and developmental defects like that are detrimental, and the dog would certainly not just have an extra eye without suffering other ill effects, like the exciting examples in this link. Note the pig that does indeed have 3 eyes, along with two mouths. It's doubtful the third eye would function properly anyway, much like how extra limbs just hang limp and cannot be controlled. The system of nerves leading to them is usually too messed up.

If you breed two manx cats together one out of every four of the resulting kittens will be stillborn or spontaneously aborted. The manx trait is actually a lethal dominant; one copy of the gene and the cat is manx, two copies and it's dead.

Isn't this similar to the melano trait / gene in bettas? Aren't females that are homozygous for the melano trait, stillborn or sterile?

Kinda, yeah. With manx cats it's because the skeletal structure is deformed, and with melanos the females are infertile because the way their melanin is distributed (in clusters) apparently effects the eggs and causes them to rupture before they hatch. Melanin plays a key role in many delevopmental processes, which is why albino and white animals are often blind and/or deaf

Oh man, there goes my secret government plan to hybridize humans with bettas!

 

[guppler]

I suspect it's a slow growing benign tumor, which is technically not cancer. I don't expect it to be herreditary, but I can imagine that a few people might be interested if they showed up in respected establishments. I don't know precisely what the difference is between Sparkle's beard and the odd growths on fancy goldfish (wens, etc.) but they must have started out as something similar. I asked my teacher's office mate about it today and he just said something about an old gourami he has with some kind of growth on its head. I didn't show my teacher yet because i called to ask if I could bring my fish today to show him and he didn't call back. He may be busy, being head of the department and all or just prparing for class. Anway, it looks like we do have a field trip next week, so unless i get there early and send him home or leave him at school for a few hours, I might have to wait for the midterm and give my teacher somehting to amuse himself with while we take the test. I supose i could try to find out if anybody in the science department at my other school wants to give me an opinion tomorrow, but i'm not sure I want to take him to my art class. The vet who didn't want to pop frosty's tummy and said it was unique and apparrently not hurting frosty isn't currently in town visiting his parents, but if he was, i might ask him. I'm afraid if I just took him to my cats' vet out of curiosity they'd charge me or say they don't do fish. I guess that's pretty much what it is, just a curiosity. Sparkle just has a little extra personality in his old age. My mom was trying to figure out my digital cameras today, but she says my dad's computer hasn't been comunicating with the scanner and might not do much better with cameras, so it might be just as bad as my own computer.
I am a little surprized that 1 or 2 years is considered to be so old for a betta, even though I haven't kept 1 for more than about 2 years.

 

[guppler]

Guppler apears intent on breeding mutated fish,


Actually, I said i have not deliberately bred mutant or defective fish, and the "defective" ones are nonbreeders. I don't think hybrids count as mutants, and that wasn't my fault originally. Tiger did it all by himself. The people who sold him to me didn't say he wasn't a guppy and if they had i might have thought they couldn't breed and it wouldn't matter where he lived, besides, I didn't have my 30g set up yet and i was not going to throw him in with Speckle the betta. He'd be lunch. I think I even got him away from the females before I was sure he was part of the reason for all the babies, and by then I had so many i didn't do any deliberate breeding for over a year.
Anyway my angled swimbladder deficient guppies don't occurr often enough to stop me from letting apparently normal ones breed. ( I currently only have one adult of each gender with that trait and they're both kept away from any livebearer of the opposite sex.)
Maybe I just notice little differences among my own pets and enjoy their uniqueness.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Guppler apears intent on breeding mutated fish,


Actually, I said i have not deliberately bred mutant or defective fish, and the "defective" ones are nonbreeders.

Either way, do you have any idea how many fry bettas produce, the huge numbers of tanks needed to raise th amle fry and the difficult process of conditioning the breeding pair and getting them to breed?
You appeared interested in not only breeding the betta with the beard but also your guppys with "boomerang" shaped bodys or ones with kinks/curves in them, this is not wise. You said at the start of the guppy thread "Once in a while I wonder if it migh tbe interesting to breed the angled fisf on purpose".