Angel fish eggs

[Jodie2001]

My dad and I have recently had a pair or angels produce eggs, we have yet to have any previous luck in the eggs hatching.

Two days ago we had a pair of angles lay eggs, a lot less eggs have turned white compared to previous times which seems promising, however we have noticed black dots in a lot of the eggs, if this the eggs developing? Possibly eyes?

We are both new beginners at trying to breed the Angels, I have attached a picture it’s quite hard to see on camera.

 

[LarsB]

There were two schools of thought back in the day, when I was (trying) to breed angels.... One: you pull the clutch, shortly after they are done, Pull the eggs, or the pair, then parent the slate (or medium they laid on), airiate and fuss, trying to optimize the hatch, ward off infections/disease.... And they do it all over again rather soon.... or....
Two: You dedicate a large tank, just the pair and give them everything to accommodate them, let them breed and figure out how to raise the clutch themselves, (yeah, you are gonna lose some entire groups of offspring at times- less babies, but also less fuss and often healthier, stronger -with fish that live longer with less trouble.... I am not sure the mode of raising is for most today, ,, any one care to share?
And BTW, I have breed and raised angels, but not on a large level, or like breeding my own colors and such... simple lower level hobby stuff

 

[Colin_T]

Black dots in the eggs is indicative of eye from the developing embryos.

Angelfish and other cichlids learn from their parents. Wild angelfish look after their eggs and young and show good parental care. In Asia where most aquarium fish are bred, the eggs are taken away from the parents to be hatched and the fry reared separately. The baby angelfish never see their parents and get no parental care, so don't know how to be parents. They have to learn by trial and error and after about 5 or 6 batches of eggs, they usually start to get the hang of it.

Think of it as a human couple trying to have and rear a baby without any help, books or knowledge from anyone else. Woman becomes pregnant and gets fat, then she has a baby. Man stands there going WTF is going on. Baby pops out and screams, adults scream, blood and amniotic fluid everywhere. It's a mess and nobody knows what to do.

Commercially raised angelfish never see an adult angelfish and don't get books or videos on how to be a good parent. So they make it up as they go along. The female lays eggs and they look at them for a few hours and try a few to see what they taste like. The eggs are tasty so they eat them all. A week later they lay some more eggs and they might eat them too.

Eventually one of the parents tries to care for the eggs and stops the other fish eating them. Low and behold, the eggs hatch but the baby fish wiggle about and the adults go "FOOD" and eat them. Live food wiggles about and baby angelfish wiggling on a leaf look absolutely delicious. The next couple of batches usually get eaten too.

Finally the parents work out they shouldn't eat the eggs or newly hatched fry and they start to look after them. The eggs hatch and fry become free swimming. Then everyone else in the tank tries to eat the babies. The adult fish try to chase the other fish away but over the next few days most if not all the fry get eaten.

Eventually most prs work it out and manage to keep some of the fry alive. If you are trying to breed angelfish, it is a good idea to house them in their own tank or put a divider in the tank to stop the other fish getting the babies.

 

[Retired Viking]

Good luck with your angelfish, I had a matched pair for over 5 years but no fry, at least none that I saw.

 

[FishGuest5123]

The black spots are eyes. Good luck!

 

[Fishmanic]

The eyes have it!

 

[Jodie2001]

Black dots in the eggs is indicative of eye from the developing embryos.

Angelfish and other cichlids learn from their parents. Wild angelfish look after their eggs and young and show good parental care. In Asia where most aquarium fish are bred, the eggs are taken away from the parents to be hatched and the fry reared separately. The baby angelfish never see their parents and get no parental care, so don't know how to be parents. They have to learn by trial and error and after about 5 or 6 batches of eggs, they usually start to get the hang of it.

Think of it as a human couple trying to have and rear a baby without any help, books or knowledge from anyone else. Woman becomes pregnant and gets fat, then she has a baby. Man stands there going WTF is going on. Baby pops out and screams, adults scream, blood and amniotic fluid everywhere. It's a mess and nobody knows what to do.

Commercially raised angelfish never see an adult angelfish and don't get books or videos on how to be a good parent. So they make it up as they go along. The female lays eggs and they look at them for a few hours and try a few to see what they taste like. The eggs are tasty so they eat them all. A week later they lay some more eggs and they might eat them too.

Eventually one of the parents tries to care for the eggs and stops the other fish eating them. Low and behold, the eggs hatch but the baby fish wiggle about and the adults go "FOOD" and eat them. Live food wiggles about and baby angelfish wiggling on a leaf look absolutely delicious. The next couple of batches usually get eaten too.

Finally the parents work out they shouldn't eat the eggs or newly hatched fry and they start to look after them. The eggs hatch and fry become free swimming. Then everyone else in the tank tries to eat the babies. The adult fish try to chase the other fish away but over the next few days most if not all the fry get eaten.

Eventually most prs work it out and manage to keep some of the fry alive. If you are trying to breed angelfish, it is a good idea to house them in their own tank or put a divider in the tank to stop the other fish getting the babies.

Thankyou, we have tired multiple different ways and currently they are divided away with air supply, this batch the majority in the eggs haven’t gone white which looks promising its day 3 now so hoping soon they start to hatch. We just wasn’t too sure about the black dots as we have yet to successfully breed them so haven’t personally seen the stages past an egg, other than videos online.

 

[Jodie2001]

There were two schools of thought back in the day, when I was (trying) to breed angels.... One: you pull the clutch, shortly after they are done, Pull the eggs, or the pair, then parent the slate (or medium they laid on), airiate and fuss, trying to optimize the hatch, ward off infections/disease.... And they do it all over again rather soon.... or....
Two: You dedicate a large tank, just the pair and give them everything to accommodate them, let them breed and figure out how to raise the clutch themselves, (yeah, you are gonna lose some entire groups of offspring at times- less babies, but also less fuss and often healthier, stronger -with fish that live longer with less trouble.... I am not sure the mode of raising is for most today, ,, any one care to share?
And BTW, I have breed and raised angels, but not on a large level, or like breeding my own colors and such... simple lower level hobby stuff

Currently there are in the communal tank but divided off with their own air supply, we have been trying multiple different ways each batch to see which progresses furthest, we currently have the eggs in an egg tumbler to keep them clean, we have treated them with meth blue also and there is a good air supply to the tumbler so far this seems to be the longest lasting batch, as it is day three today we are hoping soon

 

[Jodie2001]

There were two schools of thought back in the day, when I was (trying) to breed angels.... One: you pull the clutch, shortly after they are done, Pull the eggs, or the pair, then parent the slate (or medium they laid on), airiate and fuss, trying to optimize the hatch, ward off infections/disease.... And they do it all over again rather soon.... or....
Two: You dedicate a large tank, just the pair and give them everything to accommodate them, let them breed and figure out how to raise the clutch themselves, (yeah, you are gonna lose some entire groups of offspring at times- less babies, but also less fuss and often healthier, stronger -with fish that live longer with less trouble.... I am not sure the mode of raising is for most today, ,, any one care to share?
And BTW, I have breed and raised angels, but not on a large level, or like breeding my own colors and such... simple lower level hobby stuff

We are hoping soon to start seeing them hatch hopefully, but if not we will keep trying different ways, seeing the black dots is a promising sign as we guessed it could be eyes and people responding here also agree