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Bradder

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I have recently returned to the art and science of fishkeeping and am starting to run into a problem; hope you guys can help me out before I have a bad situation.

About four weeks ago I decided to set up a 46 (US) gallon bow-front aquarium. The set-up included a Penguin 300 BioWheel Filter, regular gravel substrate, two air stones, 2 100 W submerable heaters, 2-3 live plants, hood lights, cover, and some decorations. After the initial set-up, I let the tank "settle" for 7 days. Temp became stable at 78F.

I then got 5 medium-sized swordtails to begin the trials and tribulations of the cycling process (wish I had known more about fishless re-cycling now). About three days into the cycle, I noticed that two of the swordtails began to show sign of ich; it also became apparent that two of the three females were quite pregnant. Amonia levels hovered between .25ppm and .50ppm and I conducted 25% water changes when it went any higher. On the 5th day, the two males died suddenly- no outward signs of ich, but did stay just beflow the surface before passing. Really had no major amonia spike (.50 ppm) but I did perform routine 25% water changes prefering to delay the cycle in favor of helping the fish. When the nittires began to show, after about a week I noticed that two of the females began to hide near the bottom. On Mother's Day (US) they both gave birth to about 20 fry and both females died almost immediately. Amonia and nitrites remained at .25 ppm and .75 ppm respectively with 25% water changes if they went higher. The last male died the following day, again with no outward signs of stress or ich.

I now have a tank with no adult fish and about 20 fry, that appear quite content, but at 1 week of age four fry are showing signs of ich- each with only one or two spots but, of course the 1mm spots look huge on their little 8-10mm bodies. I desperately want to save them all but not sure what course of treatment is safe for the fry, especially in a tank that is in the (potentially stressful) cycling process. I am willing to crash the bio-filter to help them, but need advice on what to do.

Currently the parameters are: ph 7.2 (stable), alkalinity 80 (stable), hardness 50 (stable), amonia 0, nitirites .5 (falling), nitrates 5 (rising slowly). I am slowly raising water temp so it is currently 82F, and I am adding salt to replacement wate at the rate of 2/3 T per 5 US gallons. All fry are cute as buttons and appear happy; even the ones iwth the ich spots.

Should I get a UV filter to kill the ich? The cost is not a problem- I want to help them, but really don't know if it would help or even if UV is safe for fry. Any recs for preferred temp and/or salt treatment levels? Should I go with a medication and/or are there any meds safe to use with swordtail fry? :dunno:

Sorry for the long post - wanted to explain why I have a newly cycling tank with 20 swordtail fry with ich :wub: . I am willing to do anything to help them regardless of cost and/or biofilter crash. If you can provide any help I would appreciate it.
 
increasing the temp as you have done will speed up the life cycle of the protozoan. It is only treatable when in its free swimming stage and i am not sure if the fry could handle meds on top of the cycling in the tank. I would watch them for now. Do 20% water changes daily and see how they do over the next few days. If it continues to get worse then you may have to resort to meds but for now you are doing everything right. Others here may have experience with the unique conditions you have on the go right now with fry, cycling tamk and ICH. Well you did say
I have recently returned to the art and science of fishkeeping
This must be the science part :)
 
Sorry for the lost :-(

As for ICH, what you can do is bring the temperature up, and turn the lights off. Some people cover the whole tank with a towel for a few days. ICH needs light to survived (so i was told). Worth a try, better than meds. Good luck :thumbs:
 
I did a search on Google and came up with this:

Methylene Blue
Treats superficial fungal infections of fish. Helps prevent fungal infections on fish eggs; effective against superficial fungal infections. Treats ich. May adversly affect the biological system; quarantine and treat sick fish when possible. Use as an alternative to Malachite Green for the control of fungus when it is known that the fish to be treated are sensitive.


BB
 
i would suggest marine salt and a temp increase. I dont know how much of an impact salt would have, i do know it will compremise the beneficial bacteria but to how much and what degree according to the amount of salt you'd need to rid the tnak of ich is in question. :/
 
I had good luck with the meds and salt to get rid of ich, but that was on older tiger barbs, not fry :/
 
Have you tried calling the Ich cure manufacturer? Often, they can help with specific cases such as this. Sorry, I have had no experience with Ich and fry. I agree that the salt and temp increase should help - its worked for me in the past. :nod:
 
Thanks to everyone for your encouragement and advice. I feel much better.

All the fry continue to do well. I have not lost one yet and they are all eating like pigs. At least for now, there have been no additonal outward signs of new ich spots on the other fry. Some are no longer showing spots, but I realize that could be just part of the ich life-cycle.

I have dimmed the light, increased the water temperature to 85F, and started the recommended salt. I will definitely call some med manufacturers- what a great idea. That wasn't much of an option "in the old days" and feel like such an idiot that I hadn't thought of calling them before.

I did order a UV sterilizer just to have on hand in case something starts to go terribly wrong. May not do any good, but will hep me feel like I have done all that I can do.

I guess if I had said "Agony and Ecstacy" instead of "Art and Science" this would clearly be the "agony" of fishkeeping.

If anyone has any other information, ideas or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks again! :flowers: I'll keep you posted; hopefully under a "non-emergency" topic heading.
 

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