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55 gallon almost fully stocked... recommendations?

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Hi there, newbie here.

My 55 gallon has 20 black neon tetras, 4 turquoise rainbowfish, 4 bosemani rainbowfish, 4 australian rainbowfish, 5 corydoras, 3 snails, and a long-finned bristlenose pleco.

I feel like I'm pretty full, but I still want to add a couple more rainbowfish of each type, because I always read they like to be in 6 or more of their own.

Everything has been going pretty smoothly, the tetras took around a month to finally start swimming around, and it's all mostly peaceful.... every now and then I see some of the rainbowfish picking at each other a little bit, but it's not constant and it never seems bad. My biggest turquoise rainbowfish died recently, I think he overate.

Anyways, just wondering if anyone had any recommendations or suggestions, thanks!
 
Hi and welcome to the forum :)

How long has the tank been set up for?

How often do you do water changes and how much do you change?
Do you gravel clean the substrate when you do water changes?
Do you dechlorinate the new water before adding it to the tank?

How often and how do you clean the filter?

What are the tank dimensions (length x width x height)?

What is the GH (general hardness), KH (carbonate hardness) and pH of your water supply?
This information can usually be obtained from your water supply company's website or by telephoning them. If they can't help you, take a glass full of tap water to the local pet shop and get them to test it for you. Write the results down (in numbers) when they do the tests. And ask them what the results are in (eg: ppm, dGH, or something else).

Do you feed the rainbowfish any plant matter?

Fish don't die from eating too much.
What symptoms did the turquoise rainbow (Melanotaenia lacustris) show when it died?
 
Thanks for reply, sorry for taking awhile.

My tank has been set up for about 3 years.

I usually change the water within 3-4 weeks, but since I just added a bunch of fish, I will probably start doing a water change once every other week or so.

I do clean the gravel, and I do dechlorinate the water before adding.

I clean and / or change the filter once a month at least, I usually check if it's getting clogged.

I don't recall the dimensions, it's a fairly standard 55 gallon long.

I've managed the water enough to know it's fine, and I have a good test kit and all.

So my main focus is just if I could add 6 more rainbowfish or if that seems too much.

And I am concerned about times that fish have randomly died. Like I said my oldest turquoise rainbowfish died recently, and for 2 or so years I never saw one problem with him at all.

That morning I just got up, and noticed he was upside-down, still alive and struggling. And I know that's usually a swim bladder issue, but why would that happen out of the clear blue? He was totally perfectly normal for over 2 years, and then one day he's just struggling and later that night he died.
 
Your tank is overstocked. You should be taking fish out, not adding more. The rainbowfish you have can grow to almost 5 inches and would require a 75g or larger tank. There are smaller size rainbowfish, but not the ones you have.
 
So at the moment the tank is overstocked as said above. If you were to remove the turquoise rainbowfish, you will free up 60cm (because they get to 15cm) . At this point you have removed a large amount of fish but maybe if you were to remove the snails or the long finned pleco, you might have room to add other fish. What snail are they?
 
Also your tank maximum of fish is around 150cm ish. With just the black neons, bosemani and corydoras you have gone way over your max. You can probably keep the pleco or snails and maybe, maybe add another bosemani. Then your tank will be fully stocked.
 
This thread brings up a great question - Does anybody plan on tank succession. In that what if one get tired of the fish they have in a tank...what do to with the current occupants? My new 100 g was set up with the idea of providing a new more spacious home...but I were to go a different route what to do with current tenants? the simple is answer just buy a new tank and start again...but alsa that's not always possible...again this is just a AM pontification...cheers.
 
I usually change the water within 3-4 weeks, but since I just added a bunch of fish, I will probably start doing a water change once every other week or so.

I clean and / or change the filter once a month at least, I usually check if it's getting clogged.

I don't recall the dimensions, it's a fairly standard 55 gallon long.

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So my main focus is just if I could add 6 more rainbowfish or if that seems too much.

And I am concerned about times that fish have randomly died. Like I said my oldest turquoise rainbowfish died recently, and for 2 or so years I never saw one problem with him at all.

That morning I just got up, and noticed he was upside-down, still alive and struggling. And I know that's usually a swim bladder issue, but why would that happen out of the clear blue? He was totally perfectly normal for over 2 years, and then one day he's just struggling and later that night he died.
How much water do you normally change?
What are the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels?
What is the pH and GH of the water?

Rainbowfish don't tolerate high nitrate levels and you want to keep this below 20ppm.

Rainbowfish do best in water with a pH above 7.0 anda GH above 200ppm. Melanotaenia boesemani come from hard water with a GH above 300ppm.
Black neon tetras come from water with a pH below 7.0 and a GH below 100ppm.

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Do you feed the rainbows much plant matter?
Rainbowfish need about half of their food to be plant based. You can use vege flakes/ pellets, marine algae, or aquatic plants like Duckweed.

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Do you actually throw filter media/ materials away and replace them with new media, or do you just clean the media in a bucket of tank water and re-use it?

Filter media should only be replaced when it starts to fall apart. If you have cartridges in the filter, you can replace these with sponges that will last 10+ years. If you replace media, only do one piece at a time and wait a month before replacing another piece.

If you have carbon or Ammogon/ Zeolite in the filter, remove these and don't replace them. Just put a sponge in their place.

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I live in Australia and we sell tanks by the foot (3ft, 4ft, 6ft), and subsequently have no idea how big a 55 gallon tank is.

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I wouldn't add any new fish until you work out why they are dying.

Did you do anything to the tank on the day or the day before it died?

Unfortunately, rainbowfish regularly have Fish Tuberculosis (TB) and can live with if for a few years. The bacteria slowly grow in/ on an internal organ. One day the bacteria damage the organ and it fails. When this happens, the fish usually stops eating, bloats/ swells up, gasps or breathes heavily at the surface or near a filter outlet, does a stringy white poop and dies a few hours later.

I'm not saying the fish died from TB but it should not be ruled out.

I would monitor the remaining fish over the next 6 months and see if any more die in a similar manor. If they do, take a body to a fish vet and have them necropsy (animal autopsy) the fish to see if it has TB.

In the mean time, avoid putting your hands in the tank if you have any cuts or scratches on them. If the fish have TB and you have an open wound and get fish water on it, you could get a localised TB infection in the wound called a granuloma. These need to be biopsied at a doctor and samples sent away for a positive identification, then you get put on anti-biotics for a while. So try to avoid getting fish water on you if you have cuts or scratches, and wash your hands with warm soapy water after working in the tank.

You can wear rubber gloves when working in the tank if you are concerned. Just make sure they are free of chemicals and only used for the fish tank.

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If your tank is 4 foot or longer, it is big enough for any species of rainbowfish. Most only grow to 4 inches or less. If you have them in a huge tank (20 foot long x 3 foot high) and keep them long enough, they might reach 5 inches but they don't normally get that big. I had rainbows in ponds that were 10 foot in diameter and 3 foot deep/ high, and the male rainbows hit 5 inches and that included their tail. The females got to about 4 inches, including their tail.
 
Hey Colin I like the Aussie idea of tanks by the foot....much cheaper than tanks by the gallon, a 55 g is about 4 ft long. BTW I never knew about fish TB....now you given me another psychosis to worry about, as if CV wasn't enuff..... LOL
 
Well Colin_T, I appreciate your help and information... unfortunately I can't say the same for some of these guys. Dude up there saying a 55 gallon tank can only have 4 rainbowfish, 20 tetras and 5 bronze corydoras... seems like I came to the right place for a good laugh. Don't worry, I've been doing heavy research like usual, and I appreciate the feedback, no matter how silly some of it is.

Misinformation spreads on the internet like a wildfire. Be careful out there folks.
 
Well Colin_T, I appreciate your help and information... unfortunately I can't say the same for some of these guys. Dude up there saying a 55 gallon tank can only have 4 rainbowfish, 20 tetras and 5 bronze corydoras... seems like I came to the right place for a good laugh. Don't worry, I've been doing heavy research like usual, and I appreciate the feedback, no matter how silly some of it is.

Misinformation spreads on the internet like a wildfire. Be careful out there folks.
I'm sorry for saying that you could only have that amount of fish. I'm going to be honest what I said up there is wrong. I'm only an amateur and from my POV thought you had too many fish. You might've but I'm not sure. I'm sorry for misleading you though.
 
I'm sorry for saying that you could only have that amount of fish. I'm going to be honest what I said up there is wrong. I'm only an amateur and from my POV thought you had too many fish. You might've but I'm not sure. I'm sorry for misleading you though.

I'm sorry if I seemed rude, and I appreciate your response. We all have a lot to learn, fishkeeping can be complicated and everyone has their own valid thoughts and opinions... I know my tank is mostly full for sure, but almost all of my rainbowfish are juveniles, and the couple that aren't are only 3 1/2 inches.

Anyways, if I wanted to add more rainbowfish I would probably just remove the tetras altogether, and I think I'd be fine then.
 
I will readily admit that I did not read this entire thread to this point. Maybe this has been.covered, maybe not.

Do it.

I don't any reason to not add.the fish. The flip side is understanding that overstocking a tank can be done, but you'll need to pay more attention to your water conditions. With what you described in your initial post, I see no reason in a standard 55 gallon tank you could not add the fish you want to add. Just keep an eye on.the water quality for a while and see what it does. You may be fine, or you may be needing to do some extra maint.
 

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