3 More Cockatoo Orange Flash?

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I have 1 Cockatoo Orange Flash Apisto that I'd like to find a mate for. I had my finger on the trigger to buy and thought, "you better ask your knowledge bank." 😁

Usually, I would just plow ahead because I'm scared of the answer, but anyway.

I have 1 in a 29 gallon tank w other fish. The one gets along fine. I know I would have to move some at some point, but could I put 3 more in just to see if he will pair up w one of them?

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If there's not many cichlids in the tank already...

That... Is a mean little fish... If you are used to tetras, You will be surprised how they treat their ladies.

They have a catch... They are super smooth with other species... But ruthless with their own.

A minimum of 20 gallons of water and 3 females per male is a good ratio. They are very persistent during courtship and once a pair forms the other ladies will be expedited out.

Not that I already owned them, But based on general cichlid behaviors, they will be territorial upon mating.

Some fish are really aware of that and stays off limits... But others, don't even realize why they are getting beaten.

Trying these kind of things in a peaceful community tank, can have some impact that will need intervention.

When you wake up in the morning and all the fishes are one on side of the tank and there's a douche bag occupying the other. loll.
 
I see the protective behavior from the Kribensis in my larger tank. If it's like that then it might be ok. I do have a place I can put them if it becomes a nightmare.
 
What other fishes are in the aquariums? Btw cockatoo DO NOT pair up. The female will select a male to breed with and then want nothing more to do with him. Conversely if she is not interested in him he might try to drive her away from his territory. A 29 is suitable for one male territory and at most 2 female territories though one is recommended esp for novices. What happens if things are not scaped well enough for the fishes to form their own territories - well usually one or more end up being kicked out.

If you have kribs in your tiny 29 forget about adding more cockatoo unless you like throwing your money away.
 
The female will select a male to breed with

That is "pairing-up" even if it lasts 3 seconds. no matter if it's a Male or Female initiating, that has nothing to do with how and why they chose to team up.
 
That is "pairing-up" even if it lasts 3 seconds. no matter if it's a Male or Female initiating, that has nothing to do with how and why they chose to team up.
Not really; in normal context when one say 'pair up' they mean both partner help each other when breeding. It is more of a one moment stand and i suppose if you are one who finds a new partner for each night and then let the ladies have babies without a care and consider that paring up then good for you it is not the normal context used for fishes.

btw kribs are an excellent example of fishes that pair up.
 
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Ok, after mating or pairing... we call that "attending", It could be both, only the male or female or the fry are are on their own.
 
I have 1 Cockatoo Orange Flash Apisto that I'd like to find a mate for. I had my finger on the trigger to buy and thought, "you better ask your knowledge bank." 😁

Usually, I would just plow ahead because I'm scared of the answer, but anyway.

I have 1 in a 29 gallon tank w other fish. The one gets along fine. I know I would have to move some at some point, but could I put 3 more in just to see if he will pair up w one of them?

See video & pic


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I have about 15 young juveniles from this guy, Mohawk man. On a second breeding attempt he killed his mate. If I knew how to ship safely I would send you a few females.
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My cacatoides males were comparative wimps. The females drove the breeding show. Females IME were ready at a much younger smaller size than males. She would beat up an unready or unwilling male & hopefully find a more ready to go mate. After spawning, both will care for the fry...for a while. Males lose interest in fry after ~a week, females maybe 2 weeks. Then they both tire of fry care & want to breed again. If she's not ready again then the male may attack her. Nothing gets her in the mood like getting beat up. Yeah, no!!

If you really want to breed & raise fry, you need another tank. Depending on your other fish, it may be easier to move fry or the adults.

Try to have lots of plants, rocks, etc to protect both fry & not ready adults. It's difficult to sex smaller cichlids. They tend to look female if smaller than an older adult male as a defense. I started with 6 juveniles, the "usual" way of letting them pair up. Starting w/an adult male, pretty as he is, might cause trouble.
 
My Mohawk Man is a killer. First he killed his girlfriend. Then two days ago he murdered a sweet dwarf red coral Platy. I want to keep him because he is beautiful and he makes beautiful babies I can sell. Any suggestions to manage his temper? I already have dither fish with him.
 
Your photo isn't an orange flash. That's a domestic red. They're a way prettier fish than the orange morph.

I disagree with @anewbie's analysis, but we've hashed that out unsuccessfully before. Females will claim territories, as will males. I have had males participate in broodcare before, many times. I've watched hundreds of first generation from wild caughts and domestic reds being raised by their parents. They breed easily and I would reckon about 80% of the pairs I kept bred successfully, and often successively. My sample was probably 20 plus pairs over 10 years. My cacatuoides have paired, for the period of egg and larvae defence, and into the broodcare phase. After that, they're done.

I recently bought a very young pair of supposed double reds, to have another look. I only have the two though, and they're still immature.

If you buy three and get sleeper males (late bloomers), they'll be killed. If the tank is too small, the slowest breeding female is done for. If it's a 4 foot tank, you're fine.

The tank belongs to your male now. To safely add 3 fish, I would steal a trick from the mbuna crowd. Net that male out and completely change the scape/decor. Move every rock and every piece of wood. Plants can stay where they are, but moving them wouldn't hurt. Do this while quarantining the new ones, so that you add all 4 fish at the same time.. That way, boundaries are broken (Apistos are visual creatures) and everyone starts with a chance.

Don't be surprised if 2 of the 3 new fish, or the older male, die in the sorting out of space.

@gwand just posted. Platys are not good dithers because they aren't fast enough. They also have a dangerous colour. Weirdly, I had blue wild X. variatus unbothered in a cacatuoides red tank once, but they weren't the colour of a rival male's fins.
 
Even if they would breed, they can become a bit more aggressive towards other fish. My experience with these is as long as they're not breeding, they'll be fine with other fish. But once they had offspring, they were a mess in the tank. That was the moment that I've decided to give them their own tank.
 

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