FishHobby99
Fish Gatherer
I‘m looking at the California place a poster mentioned yesterday. They have several red plants. Mostly I’m doing anubias & Java ferns. Easy plants for us newbies. Would any of these be as hardy?
Easy Red Plants
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robmcd
Fish Crazy
Alternanthera reineckii wasn't too difficult for me. From what I understand though, plants with red thrive with C02 and Iron. I just sort of tried my hand at it and was successful, although I have since moved on from it. I run a high tech C02 injected tank, if that is any help to you.
FishHobby99
Fish Gatherer
Thanks, I run low tech 19th Century tanks. What‘s the CO2 for?
SW?
The usual problem with red-leaf aquatic plants is the light. These plants require brighter light (higher intensity) than green-leaf plants. This is because the colour of the leaves is due to reflected light that we perceive as a colour. Red light along with blue (but red being the more important of the two) is necessary for photosynthesis to occur. If the plant is reflecting red light, it takes more red light to provide sufficient for photosynthesis and the colour. Red leaf plants thus tend to grow well in brighter light, but with higher light intensity also comes more nutrients, and this is where the CO2 enters the picture. Natural CO2 will usually be sufficient for green-leaf plants (always exceptions) but may not be for red.
Adding CO2 will not benefit red leaf plants unless the light intensity is balanced (and much higher). Fish do not like this, so that is another aspect.
Iron is not the issue either, as adding iron without the light and other nutrients willnot help plants, but can kill some (I had this occur).
There are some reddish or brownish-red leaf plants that can work without the higher light intensity, such as some of the Cryptocoryne species. I found these very lovely as a contrast even with my low/moderate light. There is also the red form of the Tiger Lotus, Nymphaea lotus. If you allow the floating leaves to remain they will increase (with basically no substrate-level leaves) and do quite well since they are right under the light, and the underside of the largish leaves are a lovely shade of red-purple.
Stem plants in general require brighter light (being fast growing) so red leaf stem plants like Alternanthera reineckii may struggle in less light, or melt apart completely as it did for me. Some Ludwigia has a purplish under-leaf and sometimes this grows fairly well, though not in my moderate lighting. I try plants over the years and stay with what thrives in my conditions, s the fish come first.
Adding CO2 will not benefit red leaf plants unless the light intensity is balanced (and much higher). Fish do not like this, so that is another aspect.
Iron is not the issue either, as adding iron without the light and other nutrients willnot help plants, but can kill some (I had this occur).
There are some reddish or brownish-red leaf plants that can work without the higher light intensity, such as some of the Cryptocoryne species. I found these very lovely as a contrast even with my low/moderate light. There is also the red form of the Tiger Lotus, Nymphaea lotus. If you allow the floating leaves to remain they will increase (with basically no substrate-level leaves) and do quite well since they are right under the light, and the underside of the largish leaves are a lovely shade of red-purple.
Stem plants in general require brighter light (being fast growing) so red leaf stem plants like Alternanthera reineckii may struggle in less light, or melt apart completely as it did for me. Some Ludwigia has a purplish under-leaf and sometimes this grows fairly well, though not in my moderate lighting. I try plants over the years and stay with what thrives in my conditions, s the fish come first.
FishHobby99
Fish Gatherer
Good to know, thanks. I tried 2 tiger lilies. Neither lasted long. The stems quickly broke off from the one bulb. The leaves thinned & holes appeared on the other after a few days. I decided to discard everything. I was concerned the bulbs would rot & muck up my water. Both were in heated tanks with LED lights.
Yep, the fish take precedence. That place in California requires a $80 minimum order for free shipping, so I’m thinking of easy red plants in addition to the bulk Anubias to avoid the $15 shipping fee.
robmcd
Fish Crazy
High lighting and C02 injection are staples of high tech planted tanks. C02 helps in plant growth. It is a complicated rabbit hole to go down but after you have had success with it, it's hard to try another planted tank without it.
FishHobby99
Fish Gatherer
Do you keep fish in there? I’m seeing some beautiful planted tanks on Pinterest, no fish at all.
The holes is due to an insufficiency of nutrients. I found that weekly dose (one) of Flourish Comprehensive Supplement solved this, though a very few leaves did fare less well than others, but I just removed these at the water change. This plant was in my 90g tank, and more than half the surface was completely covered by the floating leaves, it was a very beautiful effect.
BTW, this tank was dosed with iron as well, and the floating plants began to melt from the excess iron, and the lotus was badly affected. Did the test twice, same result. There is sufficient iron in FC in balance for any plant needs in natural or low-tech planted tanks. The myth concerning iron began back in the 1980's when laterite (iron clay) substrate additives were all the rage; in time this was shown to be nonsense.
FishHobby99
Fish Gatherer
You mean floating leaves from the tiger lilies? Some were attractive, but I discarded them, fearing decay.
I do have a big 500 ml container of Seachem’s Flourish that came with my secondhand betta setup. Funny thing is the plants looked unhealthy & I threw them all away & bought new ones.
Should I be adding it to all my planted tanks? These tanks have fish.
I do have a big 500 ml container of Seachem’s Flourish that came with my secondhand betta setup. Funny thing is the plants looked unhealthy & I threw them all away & bought new ones.
Should I be adding it to all my planted tanks? These tanks have fish.
robmcd
Fish Crazy
Yes I do. There is a balance that you find between C02 and 02 levels before you add fish. You find this balance by the use of a drop checker. To be 100% honest, the fish in my high tech planted tank are actually larger and look healthier than the fish in my normal tanks. Maybe this is due to lush plant growth and availability to a more varied selection of food, due to the plants. There is also lots of spawning activity in there. Corys, platys, and shrimp all reproduce regularly. The ember tetras and neons probably have tried as well but I haven't seen any tetra fry so far.
Yes. I had one red tiger lotus and by encouraging floating leaves after a few months it only produced these, and they grew to roughly 6 inches by 4-5 inches across, with the reddish-purple underside. These leaves would cover the surface if I left them alone, though some as I said showed signs of insufficient nutrients. But a single dose of Flourish Comprehensive Supplement [only this product from the Flourish line] every week kept the plant is good shape, along with the other plants which included some Water Sprite floating, though this sometimes got choked out by the lotus leaves, or vice-versa.
I had two daughter plants form on the Tiger Lotus, and I planted these and they grew, so at the last this tank had three plants. This plant did benefit with Flourish Tabs, one every 3 months. I have very soft water so the tabs do benefit the larger rooted plants, even these lilies.
FishHobby99
Fish Gatherer
Wow! Sounds like the fishy garden of eden.
I‘m not nearly so evolved. Bought my first 5 gal tank in 7/21. Then a few 10’s and a 90 G with a 20 G sump & 20 cichlids/catfish.
I’m adding terrestrial plants with submerged roots to the big tank & lots of Java & anubias inside. I’ve ordered more Java & will tie them to acrylic rods in the corners going bottom to top, so as not to take surface area from my fish.
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Some of these plants also do better with rich substrate; I use inert substrate with root tabs and it isn't really the same for more sensitive plants. I never had a lot of luck with ar - i have one mini-ar plant that is growing well (new sprouts) but most of them die off - my aquarium has around 100 par at the substrate and co2 but it is hit and miss; h'ra rotala on the other hand is non-stop weed that i can't decide if i like or hate (the hate comes from strangling effect on lower level plants):
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To be honest I've sworn off on stem plants; there are only four i have that i haven't pulled out - PSO, h'ra rotala (though i threw away about 95% of it last week); Myriophyllum or is it that other green fluffy stuff and Bacopa caroliniana which just won't stop coming back for more - it actually isn't a bad plant.
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Anyway I know that there are people who can grow the various ar non-stop but most of the folks i know that do it have one of the soil type substrate.
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To be honest I've sworn off on stem plants; there are only four i have that i haven't pulled out - PSO, h'ra rotala (though i threw away about 95% of it last week); Myriophyllum or is it that other green fluffy stuff and Bacopa caroliniana which just won't stop coming back for more - it actually isn't a bad plant.
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Anyway I know that there are people who can grow the various ar non-stop but most of the folks i know that do it have one of the soil type substrate.
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