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A good wintery morning to you all....

I have been doing a bit of thinking lately and have decided i would like to make the transition from artificial plants to live ones but not sure where to begin.
Planted tanks look much more natural and i am looking at add in a few more flamboyant fish so want to make it as pleasing on the eyes as on the fishes habitat. what sort of things do i need to know about how plants will change my water chemistry?
 

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Water parameters and tank dimensions?

I would start with Hygropila spp. and Cabomba along the back, maybe a small sword. Crypts mid-ground. Java moss on the ornaments. Anubias spp. if you can afford it.

Which fish are you thinking of keeping?
 
Glad to here you've planned to come over the live side of all that is planted :good:
As said, Cabomba will be a good plant to start with. Attractive and easy to care for.

When I care for my plants I take into account three things.

Lighting, CO2 and Fertilizers. So might be worth you having a quick read of the planted topics here on the forum.

Good luck! :good:

James.
 
Its a 90l tank, currently nitrite 0, ammonia 0, ph around 8 and nitrate is about 10. Dont have any other test available to me. we are in a fairly hard water area.
The stocking is 6 danios, 2 platties and a clown plec and i want to get a few spotted blue eyes and threadfin rainbows or possibly a koi angel. Will probably get a larger tank if all goes well but will have to wait and see how this experience goes
 
All the advice still stands, in that case.

What is the lighting like? I completely forgot to ask about that!

Your stocking is good and definitely room for some more. The pH is a bit higher than I usually like for rainbows, but live plants will bring it down.
 
Not too sure what the lighting is. its the tube that came with the hood but if i need to get a different tube i will. most the aquatics shops around here all have a ph of between 7.5 and 8 i always check before i purchace any other fish.. Rainbows were one of the fish i really liked the look of and through advice given by other members i found the smaller types. I am open to suggestions but want to steer away from the "pet shop" fish and go for something slightly more vibrant and different.
 
Ok, when you're around the tank next, switch the bulb off and read what it says on it, the wattage will be printed directly onto the bulb itself.
 
Plants will use us some of your tanks nitrate which is all good. If you dont want to go down the road of extra lighting and CO2 etc then choose dark coloured leaved plants which will do much better in low light conditions. Also if you are not buying loads of plants you could invest in some root tabs which you bury directly below the plant to feed rather than using a liquid fert.
 
Agree with Gilli and the others, dark green leaf color is a tip that you are likely looking at a plant that falls into the category of "easy" or "low-light" plant that will not need high lighting and CO2 supplementation to support.

We use various rough guidelines to help guide people in this "low-light technique" direction (hopefully this being a concious choice on their part and to me it sounds like this is the right direction for you as you've not mentioned wanting to look into serious CO2 equipment or such) and light and plant nutrition are key among them. I suspect that a tank receiving water changes with high pH water (probably hard water) will probably do quite well with plants as it implies that there are probably healthy amounts of calcium, magnesium and other trace things in the water that the plants can use to their benefit.

When you find the wattage on your tube you will also want to note the diameter of the tube. Most traditional tubes are perhaps an inch and we call that a "T8" type of fluorescent light. The efficiency of conversion of electricity to light is well known for a T8 and allows us to use wattage as a way to judge how much light the plants will receive from the tube. If a tube stays roughly below the 2 watt/USgallon level but above about 0.80 w/g then we know the provided T8 light will put us "in range" for low-light technique.

In low-light technique we rely on the fish food or possibly a tiny bit of plant nutrition supplementation to provide many of the essential macro and micro nutrients that plants need to be successful. We sometimes decide to provide some daily liquid carbon because carbon is such a key nutrient that it is in a category by itself compared to the others (plants use up lots and lots of carbon making sugar so that energy can be transported throughout the plant and lack of sufficient carbon is among the most common things that cause plants to not make it.) The nice active surface water movement that we like to use to provide higher oxygen for our freshwater fish also tends to drive a little more CO2 out of the tank, thus working against our plants a little. So liquid carbon (a type of product we dose the tank with) can help to reverse that problem a little.

If we find that our light is up above the 2 watt/USgallon level then know that we are "driving" the plant process at a higher rate and the typical non-supplemented tank will use up all its nutrients too quickly for the plants to thrive. (Again, all this talk of 2watts changes if our tubes are T5 type and therefor more efficient and giving off much more light.) For our members who happen to be in the UK, there is the luck of being able to get a wonderful mix of plant nutrients in a product called TPN+ (the Plus part being important) which in a low-light tank can be dosed in tiny amounts and then thinned out with the weekly water change. This is a method called "reduced EI" (EI is discussed in the planted tank (PARC) articles.)

Anyway, just throwing out stuff to help you get started, no need to understand it all at this point as having live plants can be exceedingly easy and I always encourage people to get started with it and gain experience!

~~waterdrop~~ :D
 
The light is a 18w T8 daylight tube... would that be classified as a low or high light source? the tube is about an inch in diameter.
 
Right, T8 means 1 inch diameter (8/8 of an inch in the arcane world of fluorescent tubes, lol.) 18w T8 in a 90L/24USG puts you at 1.3w/g which is about perfect for low-light technique. If your pH is below 7.6 I might start at 4 hours and every two weeks that you don't see algae take it up an hour until you reach 8 hours of light. If you separate morning/night, don't make either stretch less than 4 hours. If your pH is above 7.6 then start at 6 hours. This is just something I think, if you don't like it and want to start higher and go down if you see algae then no big deal. WD
 
Agree with Gilli and the others, dark green leaf color is a tip that you are likely looking at a plant that falls into the category of "easy" or "low-light" plant that will not need high lighting and CO2 supplementation to support.

We use various rough guidelines to help guide people in this "low-light technique" direction (hopefully this being a concious choice on their part and to me it sounds like this is the right direction for you as you've not mentioned wanting to look into serious CO2 equipment or such) and light and plant nutrition are key among them. I suspect that a tank receiving water changes with high pH water (probably hard water) will probably do quite well with plants as it implies that there are probably healthy amounts of calcium, magnesium and other trace things in the water that the plants can use to their benefit.

When you find the wattage on your tube you will also want to note the diameter of the tube. Most traditional tubes are perhaps an inch and we call that a "T8" type of fluorescent light. The efficiency of conversion of electricity to light is well known for a T8 and allows us to use wattage as a way to judge how much light the plants will receive from the tube. If a tube stays roughly below the 2 watt/USgallon level but above about 0.80 w/g then we know the provided T8 light will put us "in range" for low-light technique.

In low-light technique we rely on the fish food or possibly a tiny bit of plant nutrition supplementation to provide many of the essential macro and micro nutrients that plants need to be successful. We sometimes decide to provide some daily liquid carbon because carbon is such a key nutrient that it is in a category by itself compared to the others (plants use up lots and lots of carbon making sugar so that energy can be transported throughout the plant and lack of sufficient carbon is among the most common things that cause plants to not make it.) The nice active surface water movement that we like to use to provide higher oxygen for our freshwater fish also tends to drive a little more CO2 out of the tank, thus working against our plants a little. So liquid carbon (a type of product we dose the tank with) can help to reverse that problem a little.

If we find that our light is up above the 2 watt/USgallon level then know that we are "driving" the plant process at a higher rate and the typical non-supplemented tank will use up all its nutrients too quickly for the plants to thrive. (Again, all this talk of 2watts changes if our tubes are T5 type and therefor more efficient and giving off much more light.) For our members who happen to be in the UK, there is the luck of being able to get a wonderful mix of plant nutrients in a product called TPN+ (the Plus part being important) which in a low-light tank can be dosed in tiny amounts and then thinned out with the weekly water change. This is a method called "reduced EI" (EI is discussed in the planted tank (PARC) articles.)

Anyway, just throwing out stuff to help you get started, no need to understand it all at this point as having live plants can be exceedingly easy and I always encourage people to get started with it and gain experience!

~~waterdrop~~ :D


that was very helpful! :) i shall be researching this later in the month..
 
the last thing i need to know is would the standard coloured gravel be suitable for plants or would i need to somehow change it to something more suitable.
 
If, in a low-light approach, plants need any extra nutrition at all beyond the nutrients coming in via your fishfood, it can all be dosed to the water column, as has been outlined in my post up above.

People sometimes get confused that plants are getting a lot of their nutrients from soil sources, sometimes because the see or read about special planted tank substrates that can be purchased. It turns out that for the basic types of setups we are discussing, these special substrates really just serve as "supplements" or "bridges" of some of the nutrients in cases where water column dosing has been missed (on vacation, that sort of thing) and are not nearly as important as sometimes thought.

It's good to understand though that substrates are indeed an important topic in the planted tank world. But the complications of those discussions need not slow down the beginner who wants to get started with plain aquarium gravel.

~~waterdrop~~
 
18 watts means you are dealing with a low light situation. That is no a real problem but is something you want to be aware of when selecting plants. You can keep most Anubias species and Cryptocoryne species of plants along with java fern and many of the mosses. Java moss is probably the easiest of the mosses to find. Something that most overlook but makes good sense to me is to shop by price. Plants that are hard to care for demand a higher price, because it takes more effort to produce them and deliver them to your shop. Cheap plants mean either easy care plants or, I hate this part, terrestrial plants. Many plants offered for sale, at least at my LFS, are not water plants at all. Once you think you have found some nice plants to try, why not return here with the scientific name of the plants you intend to buy. If your LFS tells you that they don't know the scientific name, refuse to buy the plants. Anyone should be delighted to tell you exactly what they are selling, it does add value if you can rely on a species identification after all.
 

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