Listless and panting guppy

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Had 10 guppies since Feb, they’ve been through a few changes since then, as I add new aquascape bits and bobs, but the parameters have been largely stable. 9 of the guppies are still their normal selves, one has become pale (was even paler earlier - nearly white) and spends lots of time at the bottom of the tank breathing fast. I had the calcium rock out for a day or two, and must say the hardness is on the low side - could that be the problem. When I put food in (flakes) he seemed interested and swam fast generally looking normal again but didn’t eat much and is still mainly on the sand at the bottom. Photos of water parameters (not got an API kit yet
 

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Other thriving species - otocinclus, pigmy Corey’s, shrimp (chrystals and Amano) and 3 small yellow clams
 
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Just fed frozen brine shrimp. He’s super interested, but tasting them and spitting out. Other guppies are eating the same food and keeping it down
 
It's unlikely to be the hardness, if it was then most or all of the fish would have issues. Same reason it's not a water quality issue.

When a fish sits on the bottom breathing heavily and not eating, it's usually a bad sign and the fish is near death. You can try adding salt and hope it's not an internal organ failure scenario, but more often than not, when it happens suddenly (fish is fine one day and gasping/ breathing heavily the next), it's usually a major internal issue.

If the fish's poop is looking normal coloured and the fish hasn't bloated (gotten really fat) overnight, you can try adding salt (see directions below), but there's a good chance the fish will be dead tomorrow.

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SALT
You can add rock salt (often sold as aquarium salt), swimming pool salt, or any non iodised salt (sodium chloride) to the aquarium at the dose rate of 1 heaped tablespoon per 20 litres (5 gallons) of water. If there is no improvement after 48 hours you can double that dose rate so there is 2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

If you only have livebearers (guppies, platies, swordtails, mollies), goldfish or rainbowfish in the tank you can double that dose rate, so you would add 2 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres and if there is no improvement after 48 hours, then increase it so there is a total of 4 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

Keep the salt level like this for at least 2 weeks but no longer than 4 weeks otherwise kidney damage can occur. Kidney damage is more likely to occur in fish from soft water (tetras, Corydoras, angelfish, Bettas & gouramis, loaches) that are exposed to high levels of salt for an extended period of time, and is not an issue with livebearers, rainbowfish or other salt tolerant species.

The salt will not affect the beneficial filter bacteria but the higher dose rate (4 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres) will affect some plants and some snails. The lower dose rate (1-2 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres) will not affect fish, plants, shrimp or snails.

After you use salt and the fish have recovered, you do a 10% water change each day for a week using only fresh water that has been dechlorinated. Then do a 20% water change each day for a week. Then you can do bigger water changes after that. This dilutes the salt out of the tank slowly so it doesn't harm the fish.

If you do water changes while using salt, you need to treat the new water with salt before adding it to the tank. This will keep the salt level stable in the tank and minimise stress on the fish.

When you first add salt, add the salt to a small bucket of tank water and dissolve the salt. Then slowly pour the salt water into the tank near the filter outlet. Add the salt over a couple of minutes.
 
What would cause major organ failure? I have a small empty tank which I can set up so as not to mess with the rest of the fisg and use some of the water from his tank to settle him in. Concerned for them though, can I protect them from this?
 
Isolating the fish can sometimes help so if you do have a spare tank, move him into it with some of his water.

Internal organ failure can be caused by diseases like Fish TB, while poor genetics can cause numerous different organs to have problems working. With guppies it's regularly linked to poor genetics caused by inbreeding.
 
Isolating the fish can sometimes help so if you do have a spare tank, move him into it with some of his water.

Internal organ failure can be caused by diseases like Fish TB, while poor genetics can cause numerous different organs to have problems working. With guppies it's regularly linked to poor genetics caused by inbreeding.
Ok, he’s in his own tank with salt, sand subs and the only plants I could get my hands on - frogbit. Hopefully tomorrow will see him looking a bit better. He doesn’t look terrible, just definitely not right. Will keep you updated. Thanks for your help :)
 
Also, re your previous points: poo looks normal and doesn’t look bloated. Just still on the bottom and gasping
 
Also, re your previous points: poo looks normal and doesn’t look bloated. Just still on the bottom and gasping
Have you considered euthanizing the fish? Clove oil offers a painless death.
 
Have you considered euthanizing the fish? Clove oil offers a painless death.
No, he’s still in fairly good health; looks good, perks up and swims about then goes back and settles on the bottom. If he begins to look worse I might consider it, but at the moment, I’d rather give him the benefit of the doubt and make an attempt to save him than jump straight to putting him down
 
Isolating the fish can sometimes help so if you do have a spare tank, move him into it with some of his water.

Internal organ failure can be caused by diseases like Fish TB, while poor genetics can cause numerous different organs to have problems working. With guppies it's regularly linked to poor genetics caused by inbreeding.
It's unlikely to be the hardness, if it was then most or all of the fish would have issues. Same reason it's not a water quality issue.

When a fish sits on the bottom breathing heavily and not eating, it's usually a bad sign and the fish is near death. You can try adding salt and hope it's not an internal organ failure scenario, but more often than not, when it happens suddenly (fish is fine one day and gasping/ breathing heavily the next), it's usually a major internal issue.

If the fish's poop is looking normal coloured and the fish hasn't bloated (gotten really fat) overnight, you can try adding salt (see directions below), but there's a good chance the fish will be dead tomorrow.
you were right; he didn’t make it
 
Sad to hear. Had a similar experience a week ago, same symptoms. Because another guppy dissapeared shortly before, I took the euthanizing option. I do not have a 2nd tank and did not want to risk something that could be passed on.
 

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